Lights Have Broken

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Fraoch

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I have a 4 foot aqua one tank(second hand) and the lights have gone. I dont think its the bulbs or the fuse and my dad thinks its the converter bit- the main bit with all the wires for the bulbs and cables. So where do i find a new fitting for the bulbs, assuming they work?

Edit; My dad just opened it all up and the part thats supposed to be sealed has filled with water :/ So the whole fitting is knackered. I have also have a lot of live plants, will they be ok till i find a new fitting?
 
Not for too long. It's tough at Christmas time since so many stores close shop for the holiday but if you could get a new one in the next day or two that would be best. Of course this depends on the plants you have and what light they might get from a window etc. but of course quicker is better.
 
Is it possible to put a floor lamp or something over the tank as a temporary fix, should be enough just to allow your plants to live until you can get proper lights back in
 
Ok ive found a couple of old lights that suit much smaller tanks but hopefully will do till i get the new one. Any idea where to get the bit i need, i cant find anything online?
 
You might try an electrician but other than online or from the manufacturer that's my only suggestion.
 
Hello,

Sounds like your ballast et. al. is kaput... Can you confirm the tube sizes and ratings and I'll have a look online and see what I can find for you...

Bodge99
 
Hello.

Assuming that you have 2 x 30W T8 tubes then see http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIDONIC-ATCO-2-x-30W-T8-HF-ELECTRONIC-BALLAST-/251195813706?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item3a7c6fef4a . This is an electronic ballast which does not need a starter.

If you look on ebay for a ballast (2x30W), then you will probably find one of similar physical dimensions which should be a drop in replacement for your old one. Which model Aqua one is it?

Bodge99
 
Hello (again).

I meant to say, some 2 x 35W ballasts are cheaper, and can be used with 30W tubes. You could take your old ballast to an electrical wholesalers and ask them about electronic ballast replacements..

Bodge99
 
Thank you so much, im pretty sure that is the bit thats broken, looks similar! I think my tank is a discontinued line, there doesnt seem to be any the same on sale anyway. Its bowfront with only one cabinet in the middle of the stand rather than the usual two at either side. I'll buy a ballast and if that doesnt work ill phone an electrician.
 
Hello,

I've been thinking about this one some more... (does this show how bad the telly was over christmas or just how sad I really am!)

Just a few more general suggestions if I may.

It is possible that the ballast is still OK and your lack of light might be due to general corrosion problems.

If you feel happy to "have a go" then you'll need a multimeter. You can pick up cheap ones for about a fiver from DIY shops or Ebay. Simple tests can save you money... A multimeter has a several other uses as well. A useful tool for anyone to have.


As long as it has resistance ranges, it matters not if it is digital or analogue. I personally prefer analogue for this type of thing. Some meters have a built in buzzer for diode checks which can be used as a continuity checker.

Unplug the lights from the mains.. Don't just switch off.... UNPLUG!!

Open the lighting unit and ensure that it is totally dry before proceeding (paper towel and a cool hair dryer can help here.).

Now see if you can trace the incoming mains cable from the plug to the lights. The Live lead will probably go to a switch or a fuse carrier.
Switch on the meter, and set the dial to the lowest ohms range (or buzzer/diode test etc.). Short the test probes together to see what a full short "looks like". An analogue meter will have a zero adjust control. Adjust to give a fsd (full scale deflection i.e. to show 0 ohms.)

Hold (or clip or get a helper to do so) one of the test leads onto the live pin on the plug (bottom left pin as you look at the pins, with the lead exiting the plug downwards). Touch the other probe to the live wire termination in the lights (at the switch, fuse etc.)
If you cannot access the switch terminals, try where the wire returns from the switch to the ballast/starter etc.) You might need to operate the switch to obtain a circuit. If you get a low resistance reading **through** the switch (make sure it goes high resistance when the switch is operated again), then this proves the live connection from the plug pin to the lights.

Repeat with the neutral connection. (this may or may not go the switch). Then repeat with the earth connection. Be careful here. I would say that the earth connection (if fitted and required) is the **most** important one. If there is any trace of corrosion here, then remove the connection, clean thoroughly and remake. It will probably be bolted to the metalwork or in a connector block if it is required.

Assuming all tests OK so far then you have proved the wiring from the plug to the lighting unit.

Now see if you can see the where the wiring goes inside the light unit. A common point of failure is the connections to the (if fitted) starter (the cylindrical bayonet mounted removeable item. See http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-x-FS-U-FLUORESCENT-TUBE-LIGHT-STARTER-4W-65W-UK-NEW-/200825908061?pt=UK_Light_Fittings&hash=item2ec2282b5d for an example).

Trace the wiring and check for low resistance. Corrosion here can stop the lights from working. Be aware that you will not have any starters if your ballasts are electronic. Clean any connections as required.

Now examine the connections to the ballast. These are normally either screw connections or "push in wiring" types. You will probably also find a circuit diagram here. This will show how the tubes are connected. Now prove the wiring to the tubes from the ballast. Remove the tubes and touch one test probe to one of the tube connections on the ballast and the other to one of the contacts in the tube socket. Note that there are normally two connections to each end of each tube. So if no continuity is indicated, then try the other contact (or socket if the wiring is "confusing").

There is a small chance that there is only one wire connection to each end of the tube (this requires a specific type of electronic ballast). I doubt that this applies here.. anyway, the presence of starters in your setup indicates that magnetic ballasts are used (four wire to each tube).

If there appears to be corrosion on the ballast itself, then remove the wiring (do one wire at a time...saves mistakes!). If the connection is the push in type, you might need a small screwdriver etc. pushed into the connection to relieve the spring pressure. Be gentle here!

If all of the connections are OK, ensure that they are sound by **gently** tugging on them.. You don't want loose connections!

You can now do a basic continuity test on the tube heaters. Connect your meter test probes to the two prongs one one end of the tube. Note the resistance.. It will probably be about 5 - 20 ohms (ymmv). Repeat the test with the other end of the tube and then with the other tube. You should find similar values for each end. If any of the results show a (very) high or infinite reading then your tube is failing/is faulty. This can (depending on the exact ballast design) cause both lights to fail to strike (light).

If the problem was corrosion and the ballast (and starter, if fitted) is/are not fried, then your lights should work now.

Your next problem is to stop this problem happening again. Can you supply a photo or two of your lights (and surrounds etc.)
If you can, then I can hopefully give some suggestions as to what to do next.

Now that I've bored everyone rigid, I'll go and feed the fish.

I hope that this is of use to somebody!!

Bodge99
 
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Thank you, Ill try and get hold of one of these mulitmeters! Meanwhile i took some photos of the broken parts to see if it helps at all

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this is the sealed bit thats filled with water
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Hi,

Brillant! thanks for the photos, this helps a lot.

Pic. 1. This shows the wiring to two of the tube sockets. I'd cut off the cable tie and examine the insulation on each wire (as far as you can). Wipe any muck off and check for physical damage (abraded or cracked insulation). You probably will have no problems with this, it's just a good habit to get into. Packs of small cable ties are about £1`from your local pound shop or DIY store.

Pic 2. This one indicates that someone has "got at" your lights before.. It would appear that the incoming mains cable has been wrapped around a solid core conductor. Is the actual connection soldered? Is there any trace of electrical tape (it might have "sweated" off). These connections need to be remade. I've just noticed the cut off mains cable. I'll talk about this later.

Pic 3 & 4. Ummm... yeuch! I think that there is a very slim chance that the ballast is easily serviceable. It would be technically possible to fix it (I've repaired vintage equipment in much worse condition than this!... Don't ask!). From the safety and reliability point of view, I would replace the ballast.

Pic 5. Does the unit clip into the top or is it screwed in in any way?? I'm not sure, but can I see traces of adhesive or silicon sealant inside the top?

What I suggest you do is this..

Cut off the wiring as close to the ballast as possible. Make a hole in the clear plastic ballast covering and drain the unit. I'd suggest that you view the liquid as toxic and dispose of it with copious amounts of clean water.

It will probably stink horribly, so you could rinse the unit out as it is probably best viewed as scrud.

You now need a new ballast. The length of any replacement is not critical but the width and depth is.
You could either take the ballast (with its lid) to an electrical wholesaler and ask there or look online and trust the measurements given.

You are looking for an electronic ballast 2 x 30W for T8 tubes. You could use two single ballasts (2 of 1 x 30W), but this would mean altering the wiring very slightly.. If you do go this way then I'll give you some pointers (this just means extending the live and neutral wires). I assume that there is either no switch or the old mains lead has an inline one.

As I said in an earlier post, some (most?) electronic ballasts rated for 36W are perfectly OK for 30W tubes. I've done just this, but as usual, things vary. I'd ask where you purchase the replacement for them to confirm that this is OK.
If there is any doubt, then buy a specific ballast rated for 30W.

Could you give the dimensions of the old ballast and I'll see what I can find online for you.

I'll post a bit more later..

Bodge99
 
Hello,

I seem to be having trouble with the edit function. I made a typo and I cannot change it. Please read "scrud" as "scrud".

Bodge99

Edit: I don't know what's going on here.. I'm trying to write the word "s c r a p" and it's coming out as "scrud".

Ahh! Just seen it! The forum software appears to be seeing the last four letters as a rude word and is changing them to "crud"

Bodge99
 
Hello again,

I've just finished doing a bit of research and have had a chat with a couple of people on an electronics forum regarding electronic ballast design. These guys really do know their stuff!

To cut a long story short, the design of most modern electronic ballasts is better optimised these days to suit a particular power rating of tube than even a few years ago.

In essence, unless the ballast manufacturer states that a particular ballast can be used on a particular rated tube then it is unwise to deviate from this recommendation.

A 30W tube will work on a 35W ballast.. but the life of the tube will be slightly reduced. This is due to the increased operating current that the ballast provides through the tube.

Therefore I think it is prudent to recommend that Fraoch obtains a ballast rated for 2 x 30W T8 tubes.

More later..

Bodge99
 

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