Java Fern Gone Transparent.

[Ed Green]

Is this caused by too much exposure to the light? The tank was set up about a week ago and have only just organised a stable photoperiod - previously anything up to 13 hours.

I have set it daily at ten hours, is that about right for a planted tank?

Is there anything else that could cause the leaves to go see through? other plants are fine/doing great.

Also - should I cut the leaves back or will they recover?

Thanks

Ed G

 

[Geoff1991]

Do you use ferts or co2?

 

[JenCliBee]

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

 

[Ed Green]

Do you use ferts or co2?

Sorry, didnt give much info there.

Yes I dose Daily with TPN+ and have neutrafin CO2 with DIY formula.

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

I have 35L tank with two 11watt arc pods - that is plenty of lighting isnt it?

 

[JenCliBee]

Do you use ferts or co2?

Sorry, didnt give much info there.

Yes I dose Daily with TPN+ and have neutrafin CO2 with DIY formula.

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

I have 35L tank with two 11watt arc pods - that is plenty of lighting isnt it?

Just a guess here but could it be to much light and not enough nutrients?, or even not enough CO2 if the lighting is high?


Aaron or three fingers should be along soon to give a better and indepth analysis

 

[Ed Green]

Do you use ferts or co2?

Sorry, didnt give much info there.

Yes I dose Daily with TPN+ and have neutrafin CO2 with DIY formula.

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

I have 35L tank with two 11watt arc pods - that is plenty of lighting isnt it?

Just a guess here but could it be to much light and not enough nutrients?, or even not enough CO2 if the lighting is high?


Aaron or three fingers should be along soon to give a better and indepth analysis

hi, thanks for your input. I was told that TPN+ would be enough in the way of added nutrients. CO2 is high enough I am sure, around 30 per min.

Complicated business!

 

[JenCliBee]

Do you use ferts or co2?

Sorry, didnt give much info there.

Yes I dose Daily with TPN+ and have neutrafin CO2 with DIY formula.

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

I have 35L tank with two 11watt arc pods - that is plenty of lighting isnt it?

Just a guess here but could it be to much light and not enough nutrients?, or even not enough CO2 if the lighting is high?


Aaron or three fingers should be along soon to give a better and indepth analysis

hi, thanks for your input. I was told that TPN+ would be enough in the way of added nutrients. CO2 is high enough I am sure, around 30 per min.

Complicated business!

Getting 30ppm from DIY and keeping it stable is apparently really hard, plants use alot more nutrients under higher lighting so whereasa 1wpg tank you would get away with lower dosing ferts high light which your tank pretty much has may need that little extra to dose.

Curious how do you know you have 30ppm of CO2?, are you using a drop checker to check? or it it purely guess work?

 

[Geoff1991]

Do you use ferts or co2?

Sorry, didnt give much info there.

Yes I dose Daily with TPN+ and have neutrafin CO2 with DIY formula.

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

I have 35L tank with two 11watt arc pods - that is plenty of lighting isnt it?

Just a guess here but could it be to much light and not enough nutrients?, or even not enough CO2 if the lighting is high?


Aaron or three fingers should be along soon to give a better and indepth analysis

hi, thanks for your input. I was told that TPN+ would be enough in the way of added nutrients. CO2 is high enough I am sure, around 30 per min.

Complicated business!

Getting 30ppm from DIY and keeping it stable is apparently really hard, plants use alot more nutrients under higher lighting so whereasa 1wpg tank you would get away with lower dosing ferts high light which your tank pretty much has may need that little extra to dose.

Curious how do you know you have 30ppm of CO2?, are you using a drop checker to check? or it it purely guess work?

I think he meant 30 bubbles per minute meaning a bubble every two seconds which is unlikely to produce 30ppm of co2

How is the java fern planted?

 

[JenCliBee]

I think he meant 30 bubbles per minute meaning a bubble every two seconds which is unlikely to produce 30ppm of co2

ahhh right i get ya now lol, makes more sense they way he wrote it now


maybe the low CO2 and the highlight maywell be the factor then, you may need to dose more... but ill leave the rest upto the experts just incase im steering you in the wrong direction


jen

 

[Ed Green]

Do you use ferts or co2?

Sorry, didnt give much info there.

Yes I dose Daily with TPN+ and have neutrafin CO2 with DIY formula.

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

I have 35L tank with two 11watt arc pods - that is plenty of lighting isnt it?

Just a guess here but could it be to much light and not enough nutrients?, or even not enough CO2 if the lighting is high?


Aaron or three fingers should be along soon to give a better and indepth analysis

hi, thanks for your input. I was told that TPN+ would be enough in the way of added nutrients. CO2 is high enough I am sure, around 30 per min.

Complicated business!

Getting 30ppm from DIY and keeping it stable is apparently really hard, plants use alot more nutrients under higher lighting so whereasa 1wpg tank you would get away with lower dosing ferts high light which your tank pretty much has may need that little extra to dose.

Curious how do you know you have 30ppm of CO2?, are you using a drop checker to check? or it it purely guess work?

I dont think my lighting set up could be considered 'high'. I put 2ml of TPN daily which is already more than suggested. hmm.

I check the ppm by literally counting the number of bubbles that enter the ladder in a min. Not very high tech!

I think he meant 30 bubbles per minute meaning a bubble every two seconds which is unlikely to produce 30ppm of co2

ahhh right i get ya now lol, makes more sense they way he wrote it now


maybe the low CO2 and the highlight maywell be the factor then, you may need to dose more... but ill leave the rest upto the experts just incase im steering you in the wrong direction


jen

Ah yer sorry for the confusion. 30 bubbles a min.

What would everyone suggest then - lowering the ammount of light or adding still more TPN+?

Thanks everyone for your input

Do you use ferts or co2?

Sorry, didnt give much info there.

Yes I dose Daily with TPN+ and have neutrafin CO2 with DIY formula.

Lack of iron maybe?, as geoff asked ... any ferts used? how much lighting do you have? ..ie.. WPG?

I have 35L tank with two 11watt arc pods - that is plenty of lighting isnt it?

Just a guess here but could it be to much light and not enough nutrients?, or even not enough CO2 if the lighting is high?


Aaron or three fingers should be along soon to give a better and indepth analysis

hi, thanks for your input. I was told that TPN+ would be enough in the way of added nutrients. CO2 is high enough I am sure, around 30 per min.

Complicated business!

Getting 30ppm from DIY and keeping it stable is apparently really hard, plants use alot more nutrients under higher lighting so whereasa 1wpg tank you would get away with lower dosing ferts high light which your tank pretty much has may need that little extra to dose.

Curious how do you know you have 30ppm of CO2?, are you using a drop checker to check? or it it purely guess work?

I think he meant 30 bubbles per minute meaning a bubble every two seconds which is unlikely to produce 30ppm of co2

How is the java fern planted?

Sorry, how do you mean how is it planted? It is planted in Tetra complete soil.

 

[Andeekaii]

I think he asked that because java fern is NOT supposed to be planted under the substrate - rather attached to a rock or log so that the roots and "bulb" (dunno the proper word) are not covered.

You need to attach the plant to a piece of wood or rock using fishing line or ensure that it is above the substrate.

Read here for more information.

Andy

 

[Geoff1991]

Well actually, the roots can be buried but the rhizome has to stay above the gravel/sand or it will rot.

Java fern does best tired to a rock or some wood. Im going to say your leaves are going transparent because it isnt planted correctly and it is dying.

Try breaking off the dead leaves and tieing it to some wood or a rock. It will do much better as it should grow in most conditions...

 

[Ed Green]

Well actually, the roots can be buried but the rhizome has to stay above the gravel/sand or it will rot.

Java fern does best tired to a rock or some wood. Im going to say your leaves are going transparent because it isnt planted correctly and it is dying.

Try breaking off the dead leaves and tieing it to some wood or a rock. It will do much better as it should grow in most conditions...

thanks for that i will give it a go

 

[Dave Spencer]

Transparent tips is perfectly normal on Java fern. Mine used to do it when I had some. I have seen pics of amano`s tanks with some leaves going transparent. They should return to normal of their own accord. Don`t cut them off. The leaf in the picture below soon turned to normal of its own accord.

Dave.

 

[SuperColey1]

I think 22W over 35Ltr (9USG) = 2.5WPG which is low over a Nano. Not too low though. Its like having 1-1.5WPG over a larger tank which is plenty for plants like Java Ferns.

30bpm on a 35 Ltr sounds pretty high though so you should have enough CO2 in there to support the light. 2ml of TPN+ sounds fine too.

I am guessing Dave's guess above is right and I would agree with him completely.

The only thing that I picked up on was you said it was planted in TetraComplete Soil. Is there no gravel or sand on top? It should be capped. It could be a possibility that there are too many trace elements (metals like copper and iron) in the water due to it leaching from the Tetra rather than being a slow release from under the cap layer.

Copper and Iron and other traces are needed by plants but too high a level can cause the opposite effect in killing them!!!

AC