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mattyni

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Hey Guys,

My names Matthew and recently started an interest in fish within the past month or so with my partner.

It all started out with a goldfish tank.... one fancy goldfish and 3 cloud minnows.

Two days later... the circular fish bowl was replaced with a tropical fish tank, 5 gallon hexagonal, with internal filter in the hood. The first horrendous event was setting up the tank absolutely perfect; small brown gravel, with a "stream" of blue larger pebbles through the middle of it, with silver pebbles lining it (will add pictures when I find the lead for my phone!!). A Japanese bridge joins one side of the "land" to the other side, with a pagoda on one side, and greenery on the other. Filled the tank with water, preparing for its natural cycle. It looked great, sitting on a lovely glass coffee table. The two of us sat back to admire our work and crash - 5 gallons of water, a broken coffee table and fish tank all over the floor of my room. Needless to say this was not welcome after all our hard work, at 3am. After 2 hours of clearing we finally got it all cleared up, and bought a cold water version of the tank the next day. (So now we have a replacement light, pump, lid etc).

Learning from our mistakes, our tank is now on a more stable surface. After following advice and allowing the natural cycle to occur, we introduced the three minnows, along with another, and 4 new neons. They adapted excellently and get on very very well.

Saturday past, we were in the fish shop getting nessesary bits and pieces, and could not resist an Angel Fish we saw (fully grown). The pet shop owner seemed reliable, and we fell into the trap of buing the pair. Admittedly the tank may be slightly small for them, however they seem completely comfortable, and have not irritated the other fish as of yet, and vice versa. After reading some advice on the internet this may not have been the best course of action, in impulse buying. They seem OK at the minute however, and my friend has a tank at hand if we need to move them. We intend on getting a larger tank of our own when we get our new house in July. Until then, we only have 5 gallons of water. The advantage is the tank is quite tall. Before introducing them, the better half attempted to use a gravel clearner on the bottom of the tank, and messed up our design. Needless to say, they spent the rest of the night recreating the stream, into a kind of pond in the middle of the tank.

Only today we bought an external pump to add an air stone to the bottom of the tank. The desired image is complete, and if I don't mind saying so, for a beginners tank, it looks pretty damn fine.

However, this aside, we realise that this is not all there is to fish keeping. So I have a few questions, and then any further advice is welcome.

1. Should I turn the external pump off at night?
2. Feeding the fish - I don't go by what the food says... before the angel fish I was feeding a small amount of flakes each day. The pet shop recommended once every two days. When I put some flakes in the tank, the angel fish immediately go for the food, and I have to keep putting flakes in until the angel fish stop eating and let the flakes fall. On the bright side, they are not letting any fall, causing bacteria. So how often should I do this, this way?
3. I have a thermometer on the side which I monitor - however I do not have anything to measure PH levels etc, because I'm not too sure about them. Do I have to invest in this?

So far, we have spent around £250 setting up a small tank - an expensive yet enjoyable hobby. I dont want anythign to go horribly wrong, and our beginners luck hasn't been great. Any help is welcome.



Not a great pic... but I'm working on it :)

Many Thanks,

Matthew
 
ok... well...
a goldfish needs a 20 gallon tank+10 gallons for each additional goldy. This means you'd need a 20 gallon tank already.
angelfish need a larger tank as well, and they need warm water, unlike the golds and minnows, so that's about another 20 gallon for them.
Neons and angels don't mix- neons are angels' natural food.
neons are tropical fish, and once again, they need warm water unlike the golds and minnows, so that would be another tank for them!!!
As you can see,you would need to upgrade a lot, but it would be much better to rehome the fish than getting 3 new tanks. Sorry to give you the bad news, but the only fish suitable in there would be a betta (with the right temperature) and a snail.
 
Sorry I don't think I made myself clear. The goldfish has its own goldfish tank in my sisters room. My angelfish, minnows and tetras are in their own TROPICAL tank. I've heard mixed things about angels and tetras but they have shown no interest in each other the past number of days.
 
You need to research thoroughly before buying ANY fish; your Neons WILL be eaten eventually - Angels can be very nasty. As has been said, they also need a bigger tank.
 
Hiya, I'm sorry to say I have to agree with everyone else, that set up sounds like a bit of a nightmare to be completely honest.

I also wouldn't trust that fish shop one tiny bit, no way should adult angels be in a 5g tank, these are big fish and need a tank around 30/40g and over 18" tall. although that being said at least your tank is tall so out of all the 5g tanks they could be in yours is probably best, but they do need a bigger home and pretty soon before it does them lasting damage.

you've said you allowed the natural cycle to occur, can you please explain what you did? just taking a guess did the fish shop tell you to fill it with water and leave it 1/2 weeks before adding fish? if this is the case you should have a read of this topic, as your tank is probably cycling now. modern science is starting to filter through to fishkeeping and we now understand more of the fish's needs, unfortunatley a lot of older fishkeepers, shops owners etc still tell people the old methods. there are now much mroe humane ways of preparing a tank.

neons will not nescessarily be eaten by angels, depends on the size of the neons, the size of the angels, the set up of the tank and how much hiding space they have and how aggressive the angelfish in question is (don't be fooled by the name, they can be viscious when they want to be!)

now onto your questions

1. Should I turn the external pump off at night?
2. Feeding the fish - I don't go by what the food says... before the angel fish I was feeding a small amount of flakes each day. The pet shop recommended once every two days. When I put some flakes in the tank, the angel fish immediately go for the food, and I have to keep putting flakes in until the angel fish stop eating and let the flakes fall. On the bright side, they are not letting any fall, causing bacteria. So how often should I do this, this way?
3. I have a thermometer on the side which I monitor - however I do not have anything to measure PH levels etc, because I'm not too sure about them. Do I have to invest in this?

1 - do you mean the air pump? that's there for astehtics mostly so you can turn it on/off as you like. do not however turn the filter off at night
2 - feed every day leaving 1 'starve' day each week. try and vary the diet a little as well with live foods and frozen :good:
3 - yes you need a test kit, it's explained in the link above.

hope that helps
 

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