Is This To Many Fish?

[crazyaussie]

Hi i am very new to this hobby and im just asking if having about 25 fish in a 65 liter tank is to many fish?

 

[LolaLouie]

That totally depends, 25 neon tetras is fin 25 discus and you have a real problem!

 

[Azaezl]

As lola said it depends on the fish also the filtration & maintenance. If you could give us a list of your fish, recent water readings(ammonia, nitrite, nitrate) & what filter you have then it will be much easier to answer that question.

Oh and to the forum and this fantastic hobby

 

[crazyaussie]

Thank you for the reply

list of fish :
2 clown loaches
3 mollies
3 guppies
1 ghost knife fish
2 dwarf guarmi
5 neon tetra
3 bumble bee goby

 

[LolaLouie]

Clown loaches will grow far too big for your tank and like to be kept in larger groups. Other than that i'd say you are a little over stock especially with guppies and mollys who will be constantly reproducing. What is your filter like because that makes a big difference to stocking levels.

If you have good filtration then really as look as the fish look happy and have plenty of room to swim and Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate levels stay within the correct parameters then you're fine.

Do take the Clown loaches back because they will be very unhappy in that tank.

 

[Azaezl]

Wow, where to start, ok;


2 clown loaches - they get too big for your tank & prefer to be in groups of at least 3, they may be small right now but they can grow to 12 inches
3 mollies - they are suitable for your size tank but prefer a little salt in the water which some other fish can't tolerate
3 guppies - again another good choice for this size tank
1 ghost knife fish - definately not suitable, this fish can grow in excess of 20 inches
2 dwarf gouarmi - another good choice for a 65L
5 neon tetra - as above
3 bumble bee goby - again another fish that requires a little salt in the water to survive(this is known as a 'brackish' fish)

What I would suggest is getting rid of the clown loaches, ghost knife fish & bumble bee gobys straightaway & the mollies would be better off in brackish water,other people do keep them in just freshwater,but if I remember correctly this can make them more prone to disease.

I think it would be best to decide which out of the guppies & tetras you'd like to keep, get rid of the others, bump up the number of the remaining few . I'm not 100% sure on the compatibility of dwarf gouramis with small fish, whether there would be any problems with aggression, perhaps someone else can advise you on that.

Another thing to add is that mollies & guppies are livebearers, which means you will soon have alot of babies, unless you have just males, so that might be something to consider when choosing which ones to keep.

Also what sort of filter do you have running? Do you have a test kit and if so what are your results?

Edit: Just checked the profile for dwarf gouramis and seems that they won't be compatible with the neons or guppys,but as with all fish there are exceptions but I wouldn't take the chance really. perhaps someone who has kept dwarfs with neons or guppys can give you a definate yes or no on whether it would be ok.

 

[crazyaussie]

hi

i think i might get rid of my clowns but my fish seem to be happy
and the anmmonia was about 0.1
but i would really like to keep all my fish the tank does not seem to get dirty and they dont seem to be angry at eachother
maybe ill leave them and see what happnens

thanx you very much for all your help

 

[chicklette]

Yes, you are very overstocked.

think it would be best to decide which out of the guppies & tetras you'd like to keep, get rid of the others, bump up the number of the remaining few . I'm not 100% sure on the compatibility of dwarf with small fish, whether there would be any problems with aggression, perhaps someone else can advise you on that.

I agree. Dwarf gouramis can be a bit aggressive and they do a lot of chasing. Usually they are okay but sometimes you get that aggressive one. So if you keep small fish with them I personally suggest you pass on them.

 

[crazyaussie]

umm

i am watchin my gurami very carefully they are not chasin or killing
i ask the coburg aquaruim ( the best aquaruim in austrlia) and they said they are fine

 

[Matty P]

3 bumble bee goby - again another fish that requires a little salt in the water to survive(this is known as a 'brackish' fish)

BB gobies can survive in FW and BW. If you want to keep it in FW though you can't convert them they will have to be bred in FW and brought up in FW.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[Azaezl]

BB gobies can survive in FW and BW. If you want to keep it in FW though you can't convert them they will have to be bred in FW and brought up in FW.

Hope this makes sense.

Sure it makes sense matty, thanks for clearing that up, no way of telling which they are though if they were raised in BW or in FW,I'm guessing it must be FW seeing as they are still alive or would it take a while for them to perish in FW if they are used to BW? I know nothing about BB gobys apart from the odd thing I've read to advise people in this sort of situation.

i am watchin my gurami very carefully they are not chasin or killing
i ask the coburg aquaruim ( the best aquaruim in austrlia) and they said they are fine

That doesn't mean to say they won't be aggressive evetually, you may be lucky and have some placid dwarfs but is it really worth the risk?

i think i might get rid of my clowns but my fish seem to be happy
and the anmmonia was about 0.1
but i would really like to keep all my fish the tank does not seem to get dirty and they dont seem to be angry at eachother
maybe ill leave them and see what happnens

I know it may seem like we're all having a go and telling you to get rid of all your beautiful fish but really when it comes down to it they won't survive anyway in such a heavily stocked tank. Wouldn't it be best to take them back to the shop now and let someone who has the right size tank / conditions take them in rather then allow them to get ill / slowly die in an overstocked tank?

Also how long have you had the fish and how long has the tank been setup?

 

[crazyaussie]

hi
ive had the fish for about 3 weeks and the tank has been set up for about 4 weeks

 

[QuotheRaven]

A fellow Victorian welcome crazyaussie

I agree the black ghost knife fish and the clown loaches need to go as soon as possible.

Personally I agree with the bumblebee goby thing, the mollies would most likely have lived in freshwater all there lives and with the proper care should be ok. The Bumblebees should be ok, although you may want to consider getting rid of them.

I'd say to return the clown loaches and Ghost knife then either the 3 bumblebees or the 3 mollies because you would most likely be overstocked even without the ghost and loaches in the tank. Once they are out your fine, in my opinion.

 

[mrbudgie]

Deffinatley Upgrade to a bigger tank and you'll have a wonderful community there, lots of variety,

as for too many babys from the live bearers that wont be a problem the ghost knife will gobble them up,

as for clowns and ghost knife being to big if they are small at mo and you gonna upgrade in the next 6 months minimum then dont worry, they take forever to grow.

as for the dwarfs I have never ever had an agressive one (but they are very prone to disease so be careful with water quality ect.)

thanks ian

 

[crazyaussie]

hi

thank you for all your help

maybe if i upgrade to a bigger tank what size could i get maybe a 100 liter will do fine i just want to keep my fish i dont want to get rid of them people in the shop said the black knife fish a clown loach want grow there full size in a small tank