Is My Tank Cycling?

My tap was coming out brown recently... The good news is that it is just iron in the water from work further up the main... The bad news is that they aren't sure when it will stop. They are coming to do a complete flush of our pipes on Wednesday.


If you put this into your tank, the filter should be able to deal with it assuming you have a high enough flow rate in your tank.





Aaaargh!,Slowly please?


Sorry. I had to leave, but wanted to give you some feedback. Basically in the nitrogen cycle, ammonia is produced by the fish, that ammonia is processed into nitrite by bacteria, which is later processed by other bacteria into nitrate. If you are getting zeros in the ammonia reading and the nitrite reading, there is no way that the nitrate is also zero. It just CAN'T be accurate. That test being by far the most complicated (I had trouble with it too in the past), I assume there are high nitrates.


Secondly, the nitrates in the tank builds up as nitric acid. This would drop your pH. Depending on the buffering capacity of your tank, how well it can cope with nitric acid before the pH is actually affected. BUT, if all this is happening, chances are good that the tank is actually cycled, but that the nitrates are very high. That in itself isn't bad, but the resulting drop in pH is dangerous. Not because it can hurt the fish, but because when you do a large water change, the fish will experience a large swing in pH rapidly.... and [i[that[/i] is very bad. So, that's why I recommend very small water changes on a very frequent basis.

(This is similar to an acclimation process. The fish can tolerate larger changes in pH, hardness, etc. IF (and only if) they are given a period of time to acclimate themselves. When introducing new fish to a tank, this is done by slowly adding tank water into the container with the new fish, until the overwhelming majority of the water the fish is in is tank water. Then and only then are the fish released into the tank.)

You are doing the same thing in this tank, but instead of releasing the fish, you are just going to leave them in the tank. The only problem with just removing the water and over the course of several hours filling it up, maybe a gallon or so at a time, is that the filter and heater would have to be off for the entire time. I would say that a series of smaller water changes over the next few days (not more than 20%) would give the fish the time they need to acclimate to the "new" parameters and then you could probably just revert to a change every week (assuming that the tests continue to show zero ammonia and nitrite).


Does that make sense?
 
Hi ,thanks for explaining that to me ,do understand but i`m really baffled about results.
My nitrites and nitrates are at 0,and have been like this for a couple of months ,my nitrites have always been 0 ,but my nitrates have highered slightly once,but after water change went back to normal ,about a month ago ,also my ph highered [not the same time ,a few weeks later,to above 8 ,it was purple]So very confused,Tested water again tonight,everything 0, ph 6.6,so did a 20 percent water change ,will re test tomorrow.
 
Just re tested ,
ammonia ,0
nitrite 0
nitrate 0
ph 6.4 -6.6
Did a 20 percent water change as advised last night ,will do another one tonight ,but does anyone know what`s going on please?
 
Hopefully one of our more experienced members will be along shortly...:unsure:
 
Do you have bogwood in the tank? Tannins can lower pH as well. So, the pH drop could be related to tannic acid, not nitric acid.
 
Hi all, thanks for trying to help,i have got bogwood in my tank ,but have had it for a few weeks now ,and just recently the ph has gone down ,very confusing ,will do another 20 percent water change tonight :no:
 
It is the build-up of tannic acid that would cause the pH drop. The reason is that the water has a certain level of buffering capacity. (In other words, the free H+ ions are neutralized by the buffering agents in the water. However, once they are used up, the acids are then free to drop the pH of the water.) I'm guessing that the tannic acid has finally built up to a point that it has overwhelmed the buffering capacity of your water.

There are ways to combat that, but we will need to wait for an expert for that. My understanding is that one of the ways to do it is to add old shells to the tank. The good news is that it will fight against the dropping pH, by slowing raising it as the calcium carbonate in the shells dissolves. The bad news is that it will also raise the water hardness, which might be a problem, depending on the variety of fish. I believe that this can be combated by either increasing the frequency of the "maintenance" water changes. Instead of doing them once a week (maybe 40%), you might need to do two a week (20%).
 
Hi , one my shrimp has just died,my readings are ammonia 0 ,nitrite 0, nitrate 0 ph 6.6.If you think it`s the bogwood i`ll remove it now,please advise.
 
Hi have removed bogwood ,plants were attached to bogwood now floating in water ,can anyone suggest a safe wood to put in,about to re test water?Did a 60 percent water change too ,to try and dilute tannin
 
Have just tested water,straight after water change,ammonia 0,nitrite 0,nitrate 0 ,ph has gone from 6.6,backto 7.6 ,so it was the bogwood,which i originally got for the pitbull plecos,but they haven`t shown any interest in it,pity one of my shrimp had to die.I`m loking for a safe wood to connect my plants to now as they`re just floating in water.?
But thanks again for mentioning the bogwood i would never have thought of that ,and all my shrimp would be dead.
 
Well, another option for floating plants is rocks, or some sort of resin option.


I wish a more experienced person would come along to give better advice. :whistle: Sorry you lost a shrimp... :sad:
 

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