Is It Worth Keeping Them?

[andimav]

Hi all,
I have a duo deep 1200 and have had it up and running for many many months and have never realy had much in the way of disease. I have noticed over the past few days that around 90% of the fish in the tank have been "not them selfs" by not realy swiming around as they normaly do and infact just hovering mostly in there groupes and this has got me concerned.
I treated the tank as one fish looked like it had the start of white spot, this went and they perked up a little then added some new fish and all hell has broken loose.

I lost 1 pineapple sword just a day before adding the new fish and i thought it was just one of those sad losses. New fish added and lost 2 fish over night, one new sword which had fungus and 1 old origonal gourami well what was left of her.

I have treated the tank for fungus and and finrot with (interpet) yesterday and today the fish seem worse, 3 other new swords are very ill looking but still lively but them and a few other origonal fish seem to be developing a RED saw looking area on parts of there body mainly there gills but around the fungus area on the swords.

I also lost 1 of my many endler livebarer's this morning which are all kept in a net for there own good untill there new water world is ready but this is upsetting as they have been with me from tiny fry and are stunning fish.

Could the entire tank be diseased and if so with what and how do i get rid or shall i just take all ill looking and affected fish out and send them to fish heaven then treat the tank again?

Stats were all great accross the board a few days ago but am going to check again later today, in the mean time any ideas?

Thanx
Andi

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Red sore fungus looking stuff? Sounds like columnaris, often mistaken for fungus but on the whole it is a more common desease than fungus, you will need an anti bacterial med combined with a fungal one for treating this desease- Pimafix is a good anti-columnaris med as it treats both internal and external bacterial infections as well as fungal ones and can be combined with other meds .
You said the fish looked like they had whitespot at the start, can you see any more whitespot on the fish at all? What is the temp in the tank plus do you have any recent test results for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates?

 

[andimav]

Yes 2 of the 3 new swords have whitespot and fungus 1 worse than the other2 but all dont realy look like they are going to make it. i have one small platy that seems to be declining rapidly but she is not showing any signs of disease to be honest.
1 sucking loach seems to have red area round his gills and a few guppys along with 1 female congo which has a red area under neath her, (bottom area) very minamel though.

last test results were:
Amonia = 0
Nitrate = 40
Nitrite = 0
They were done last friday.
These are ok arent they?

Oah sorry and temp is 79.9 at present and stays around that.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

For the whitspot, you should be able to get hold of this anti whitespot med;

http/www.thegoldfishbowl.co.uk/images_3_...i_whitespot.jpg

Raise the temp in the tank very slowly to 29degrees(like 1degree a day), this will help speed up the whitespot parasitic cycle as it has 3 main life cycles, only one of which can it be killed by meds(it only has one main visable life cycle, been the white spots themselves, after they start to disapear the meds will start to kill the parasite off, you should put the meds in ASAP though)- things make look worse before they get better.
Continue treament for at least 2weeks after the spots have disapeared, and do not buy any new fish for at least 2 weeks after that- increasing the filter current or raising the filter so it creats lots of bubbles in the water to increase oxygen content will help ease the fish's discomfort too as oxygen doesn't disolve very well in warm water/tropical temps, regular water changes will also help(keeping an eye on the levels of meds in the water though of course), treat the fish normally though other than that although a varied diet will help a lot if you usually only feed them fish flakes ..

There's also a pinned article with better/more indepth info on whitespot if you want as well ;

http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=128879

Your stats look fine though, but i would get another test done ASAP, how many gallons is the tank and what is its total fish stocking at current? What meds in particular have you used so far and does the filter have a carbon sponge(black, course-looking sponge thing) in it?

 

[andimav]

Tank is approx 45uk gallons

I have just tested
Ammonia = 0.25 (nearer 0.15)
Nitrite = 0
Will do other tests later.
I have used "king british" WS3 white spot terminatot for the first outbreak and have just used yesterday "interpet" anti fungus & finrot.

I have an air pump which i normaly use daily for a little while which produces bubbles at either end of the tank.

No carbon sponge in the filter, just the normal white 4+ pads.

The fish do have a slightly varied diet but do normaly just feed them on flake food.

Stocking levels may seem a little high actually but most of the fish i have had from very small and have not always been in this tank as i have moved some from one of my other tanks in the other house.

do you want actual fish or just numbers?

That link wont work by the way. top one with images.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Tank is approx 45uk gallons

I have just tested
Ammonia = 0.25 (nearer 0.15)
Nitrite = 0
Will do other tests later.
I have used "king british" WS3 white spot terminatot for the first outbreak and have just used yesterday "interpet" anti fungus & finrot.

I have an air pump which i normaly use daily for a little while which produces bubbles at either end of the tank.

No carbon sponge in the filter, just the normal white 4+ pads.

The fish do have a slightly varied diet but do normaly just feed them on flake food.

Stocking levels may seem a little high actually but most of the fish i have had from very small and have not always been in this tank as i have moved some from one of my other tanks in the other house.

do you want actual fish or just numbers?

That link wont work by the way. top one with images.

You need to do a 30% water change with dechlorinator to remove the ammonia, but other than that it looks fine- a list of your fish species/types plus their numbers would be handy though as well - the link that didn't work was just for the Interpet anti whitespot med, i used it a couple of years ago when i had whitespot once and found it to be quite succesful, the king british med should be fine though.
What foods other than fish flakes have you tried feeding your fish?