Is It Possible?

[kribensis12]

The percent of 5teadys fry being molly/platy corsses is around -45% . Also, as far as im concerd it isnt possible. But that is why i posted this as it is against everything i've read and learned.

 

[5teady_2012]

How do you know they were Virgin?

Becasue i sexed them when they was 4-8 weeks old and seperated them. As soon as the gonopodium shows, i seperate, i breed lots of fish and like to experiment with them, thats why i use the virgin ones so i know whats what (thought you could of guessed that)

The percent of 5teadys fry being molly/platy corsses is around +45% . Also, as far as im concerd it isnt possible. But that is why i posted this as it is against everything i've read and learned.

Well i can tell you, it is possible, i have done it, and the fry was fine

So i have changed the percentage for you

 

[kribensis12]

Males and female become sexually mature at 4-8 week's! To get a Virgin, you need to sex them after the first 1-2 week's. Not the first 4-8. I would like to see pic's for you, and if it was 45% possible, why hasnt any one else shown proof of this happening?

 

[5teady_2012]

Males and female become sexually mature at 4-8 week's! To get a Virgin, you need to sex them after the first 1-2 week's. Not the first 4-8. I would like to see pic's for you, and if it was 45% possible, why hasnt any one else shown proof of this happening?

Changing the percentage was a joke btw...

1-2 weeks? not a chance, most fry is 4-8 weeks, been breeding endlers for a long time m8 and sometimes it takes longer for them to start to show..

I can post a picture of some of my endlers that are 6 weeks old easy and the males are only just showing good and getting color on them..

As for the mollies/platys - long time ago..

But i will be willing to do it again and even do a short video of the stages..

 

[dunchp]

OK 5teady, if you have managed to cross swordtails and mollies together then I am amazed and you really should try and publish a report; particularly detailing how you managed to produce virgin females, how you managed to avoid the problem with late developing males etc. I am sure the ichthyologists and the guys at the Xiphophorus stock centre would be very interested in your studies as it would open up a whole new branch of genetic and possibly even cancer research.

 

[5teady_2012]

OK 5teady, if you have managed to cross swordtails and mollies together then I am amazed and you really should try and publish a report; particularly detailing how you managed to produce virgin females, how you managed to avoid the problem with late developing males etc. I am sure the ichthyologists and the guys at the Xiphophorus stock centre would be very interested in your studies as it would open up a whole new branch of genetic and possibly even cancer research.

Hold on, big appology, im pretty sure it was platties with swrods not mollies oooopsss my bad

Still, its easy to get virgin fry

 

[kribensis12]

Okay, you can sex males from females at 1-2 week's. They have a gravid spot on them. My feeder guppy fry are only 3 weeks and i have some showing black+pink. I was told feeder's and endler's are almost the smae, plus my female has 2 swords, so woul that make her endler? I know someone who breeder guppies( not sure what kind, look like endler's), but he raises them in a seperate tnak for fry and they are pregnant at 6 week's.; After 2 and a half month's his give birth, but they are always dead babies until they get around 4 months. Talk to Tolak, he knows a man who breed's guppies an dim sure he could tell when they are sexable. If you doa resport, please post it on here so i can read it.

 

[dunchp]

1-2 weeks? not a chance, most fry is 4-8 weeks, been breeding endlers for a long time m8 and sometimes it takes longer for them to start to show..

Actually some poeciliids, such as Gambusia alvarezi are sexable in the first few days and, particularly with Xiphophorus, some will sex out very very early and some even up to 12 months later. Regarding Endlers, you are referring to them colouring up but they may actually sex out before then.

In order to produce a virgin female suitable for such an important experiment as you are referring to, I would suggest that you would need to raise each fish individually and separate from anything else and then take the females which sex out and place them one female to one male (to avoid the problem of late developing males buggering up your experiment). You would then need to raise the offspring (if any) and then cull them so that they can be genetically mapped to see whether there are any similarities between the mother or the father and the babies.

That way your expirement may be acceptable to change the general scientific perception.

1Hold on, big appology, im pretty sure it was platties with swrods not mollies oooopsss my bad

Still, its easy to get virgin fry

Yup, platies and swords will cross as they are both Xiphophorus; common swords are Xiphophorus helleri and common platies are either Xiphophorus maculatus or variatus. There are around 20 odd other species but these are the common ones in the shops (they are known as cultivated).

 

[5teady_2012]

Okay, you can sex males from females at 1-2 week's. They have a gravid spot on them. My feeder guppy fry are only 3 weeks and i have some showing black+pink. I was told feeder's and endler's are almost the smae, plus my female has 2 swords, so woul that make her endler? I know someone who breeder guppies( not sure what kind, look like endler's), but he raises them in a seperate tnak for fry and they are pregnant at 6 week's.; After 2 and a half month's his give birth, but they are always dead babies until they get around 4 months. Talk to Tolak, he knows a man who breed's guppies an dim sure he could tell when they are sexable. If you doa resport, please post it on here so i can read it.

Read my post before your last one

Gravid spots can show very early yes you are right, and also just because there is a gravid spot, does not mean they are pregnant, take for instance, i had 6 female endlers in a tank ready to breed with a specific male.. left them in there near on 5 months with no male and that verified they was virgins, no fry was ever dropped by them...

ok so after 5 months, they was redy to breed with my male i had (a really nice yellow and black double sword endler)

Now im sure you agree, they was virgins right? i got them out very early and they have also had 5 months to show signs of fry.

Now every one of them females had a dark gravid spot, but none had been pregnant..

This whole gravid spot buisness has been blown right of joint..

You can not 100% go by the gravid spot, although it can be a good indicatio, but recent research has shown that the gravid spot can there and very dark, even when not pregnant, also even when pregnant in a lot of fish, the gravid spot can be very light...

Been breeding livebearers long time, i know my stuff when it comes to these things.

As im sure you do, but every individual experiences diffrent things.

 

[dunchp]

Yup I agree 5teady, you cannot go on the gravid spot, a gravid spot does not necessarily mean a fish is gravid.

You obviously know what you are doing, it was only the Poecilia / Xiphophorus crossing which made me doubt you, but you have cleared that up now

I also agree that our experiences are all different; I learned from one of the guys on this forum, fish don't read books and you can never be 100% sure what you are doing is right. Thats what makes it fun.

 

[5teady_2012]

Yup I agree 5teady, you cannot go on the gravid spot, a gravid spot does not necessarily mean a fish is gravid.

You obviously know what you are doing, it was only the Poecilia / Xiphophorus crossing which made me doubt you, but you have cleared that up now

I also agree that our experiences are all different; I learned from one of the guys on this forum, fish don't read books and you can never be 100% sure what you are doing is right. Thats what makes it fun.

I bred this fish before that could read very well.... ok im kidding

Totally agree m8

At the end of the day... yep thats right, its night and im tired lol

ok serious now lol, I suppose there is amny things towards tropical fish we do that aint 100% correct as you say, but im sure you and me and everyone on this forum does our very best to make sure our fish have a happy and healthy life

Thats all what matters

 

[Lindsey88]

I'm wondering is it possible for mollies and Guppies to breed? I heard it was but was just wondering if anyone had ever seen it.

 

[dunchp]

I'm wondering is it possible for mollies and Guppies to breed? I heard it was but was just wondering if anyone had ever seen it.

Yup it is possible and it has happened.

http/www.goodeids.com/modules.php?name=F...ly&start=15

Go to page 2, the links to the photos broke so he reposted the photos.

I'm wondering is it possible for mollies and Guppies to breed? I heard it was but was just wondering if anyone had ever seen it.

Yup it is possible and it has happened.

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Go to page 2, the links to the photos broke so he reposted the photos.

I agree with you 5teady. Never good to go to bed on an argument.

 

[5teady_2012]

I bred a platty with a black molly once

And you say it cant be done




OK but it was worth a go

Do you think they will tell i did this on paintshop

 

[Lindsey88]

lol. I was wondering about the guppy molly thing because I have a female balloon molly with no male mollies and a fancy guppy male. I am interested to see if they ever produce any babies. She came from the petstore about 2 months ago and has produced one batch of fry which I believe was from the petstore.