Is It Or Isn't It? Whitespot Ot Not?

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Been struggling with an outbreak of whitspot in the tank, and the on whole, things are improving. Most of the infected fish are now clear, and so far, only one casualty, however the two small loaches aren't faring so well - the smallest loach is getting worse, and has even lost half of it's tail fin, whilst the slightly larger loach has stayed pretty much the same - 10 or so white spots - may be more. The big loach, whilst still scratching, is clear of spots. The pictures are poor but you see the little loach (pre tail loss) here: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex...8&a=32044666&f= I'll post some better pics sans-tail later. Is this whitespot - or something else?
 
Sadly it sounds like bacterial finrot on top of the whitespot, can you issolate the sick fish.
 
Sadly it sounds like bacterial finrot on top of the whitespot, can you issolate the sick fish.


well, I wondered that - but the fin looked fine one minute, and then the next, it wasn't there... The fins didn't (and the remaining part doesn't) look ragged or damaged in any way, there's no real sign of damage where the missing bit was... I'll try and get some better pics in a mo...
 
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Fin Rot



Symptoms:

Fish may have deteriorating fins, often with red or white edges. Secondary Fungal infections often occur.



Cause:

Bacterial infection caused by Aeromonas and/or Pseudomonas bacteria often precipitated by poor water quality, low water temperatures, or a combination of both.



Treatment:

You will first want to determine the specific cause of the illness, so check your water’s quality Ammonia, Nitrite, pH, and Nitrate levels as well as the temperature. Be sure to provide optimal water conditions and the correct water temperature for the species of fish you are keeping. Treat with Kanacyn, Tetracycline, Furacyn, Nitrofura-G or Penicillin. Basically, you want an antibiotic specific for Aeromonas and Pseudomonas bacteria. The use of a medicated food is also wise. Treat the fish in isolation (i.e., quarantine tank) if only one fish is sick. If not, the whole tank should be treated. In either case, water conditions must be improved and proper temperature maintained for all fish. Adding salt to the water may be helpful.

The success rate for treating Fin Rot is good providing the illness is caught early and water conditions are kept optimal. Left untreated this infection can be deadly. Early treatment is essential! Once treated, fin tissue lost to this illness will grow back providing the fin rays and/or fin bases have not been damaged.






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Fin or Tail Rot (see photos) Fins that are badly torn or frayed for reasons other than fighting will usually indicate fin or tail rot. Fin or tail rot is a bacterial disease that usually attacks weak or minimally damaged fin edges. Once established, the bacterium consumes the fin as it works its way up toward the fish's body. This causes the fins to appear frayed or ragged or in severe cases nearly stubs. Frayed fins can also be a sign of water problems in which case the pH, ammonia, or nitrites are too high. You should check your water conditons before treating. The best prevention is to maintain accurate water conditions. Sometimes the salt level will be too high. This can cause the effects of fin-rot. Symptoms: The fish's tail or fins are ragged, frayed or appear to be shrinking or decaying. Goldfish may have red streaks in their veiltails. Treatment: It is best treated with an antibiotic. There will be one best suitable at your local pet store. Make sure it states that it treats Fin or Tail Rot. In some cases a secondary infection or fungus will appear. If this is the case, treat the fish for the fin rot and then proceed to the fungus problem.(back to top)
 
I think i can see some yellow and white fluffy bits is this correct.

http://www.nippyfish.net/flexibacter.html

Are you sure they don't have velvet instead of whitespot, turn tanks light out and shine a torch on them to see if the yellow bits glow up.
 
I think i can see some yellow and white fluffy bits is this correct.

http://www.nippyfish.net/flexibacter.html

Are you sure they don't have velvet instead of whitespot, turn tanks light out and shine a torch on them to see if the yellow bits glow up.


I wondered about velvet - I've switched treatments to one that also treats this as well, but I cant make out any gold dusting's on them...

Incidently, the pictures are made worse by having to feed the loaches in order to tempt the 2 smaller ones out, so you can see unfocused brine shrimp as well ;)
 
How long has his tail been like that, has he sliced if off on an ornament or something.

It happened over night.. It was ok yesterday (can be seen in the first lot of pics) but there's no ornaments in the tank - just plants and bogwood - of which I'm fairly sure there's no sharp bits.

I wondered if it was maybe eityher bacterial - there may be a couple white-ish looking patches that are kind fluffy - but can't be sure if its not the white spot - and it doesn't look like cotton wool disease.

Either that - or one of his tank m,ates has had a nibble - but there's nothing in there that should have (although I had a guppy die the other day - and thats totally disspaeared...)
 
When i saw the fluffy bit on the tail a sign of columnaris, or i wondered if it was the whitespot, as for the tail for a chunk to be missing like that, it looks like it has been cut off, you will have to get rid of the whitespot first, can you issolae the fish with the tail.
 
When i saw the fluffy bit on the tail a sign of columnaris, or i wondered if it was the whitespot, as for the tail for a chunk to be missing like that, it looks like it has been cut off, you will have to get rid of the whitespot first, can you issolae the fish with the tail.

unfortunatly not. I'm just cycling a second tank, but the ammonia's through the roof, and I don't have a spare cycled filter for a hospital tank...
 
When i saw the fluffy bit on the tail a sign of columnaris, or i wondered if it was the whitespot, as for the tail for a chunk to be missing like that, it looks like it has been cut off, you will have to get rid of the whitespot first, can you issolae the fish with the tail.

unfortunatly not. I'm just cycling a second tank, but the ammonia's through the roof, and I don't have a spare cycled filter for a hospital tank...

Another update - the little loach has made a startling recovery... overnight, the whitespot, and whatever else was effecting has cleared up, the colours flooded back, and the little things livened up no end, and after a quick look this morning - i'll make a proper check after work - it appears the whitespot is finally gone... :D
 

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