Im Giving Up

[FishHobbyist1564]

Tolak when your angels first started to spawn, did they eat their eggs? Because I heard this is extremely common and happens with almost every breeding pair at their first attempts to spawn. Mine just spawned the other day for the first time and they ate the eggs, and I am looking for some advice asto what i can do to urge them not to

Also kribensis12, your angels breed every week, which is great! So we know they are interested, so I think you should keep the hobby going by breeding other fish as of right now. And keep your angels also, because they will most likely breed in any tank (on the wall, on the magnet cleaner, etc) as long as you have good water conditions. Eventually, when you least expect it, you may find fertilized eggs

 

[Tolak]

They still eat the eggs, that is why I pull spawns I want to raise. A few pairs have gotten them as far as wigglers, that's it.

 

[clay]

you know krib you could just put them in any random old tank and forget about them. thats how i got my cons to spawn.lol

 

[Tolak]

you know krib you could just put them in any random old tank and forget about them. thats how i got my cons to spawn.lol

I had this happen a while back with apistos, and in the last week with leleupi. Sometimes it seems they know you are trying too hard.

 

[cheesy feet]

Bye
I know how you feel, I spent ages trying to get my sevs to lay fertile eggs but it never happened.

 

[kribensis12]

I really want to keep trying. But no matter what i do, they just dont make it. It's incrediably discouraging. I think i may just " put the idea on the back burner" for a while. Sell the angels, and try something else. Then, eventually, work my way into angels again, with new enthusiasm.

 

[FishHobbyist1564]

That may be a good thing so that you can sort of "take a breather" for a while, and I think that if you start fresh with a new pair of angels (who are actually able to produce fertile eggs), then you may have better luck.

 

[Goodygumdrops]

I'm wondering,sometimes you get issues with fertility with albino animals.Could be that they will never produce fertile eggs,especially if all grandparents were also albino.
Do you have room to introduce a few common angels.I'm leaning towards it being a problem with the strain and not your methods.If you can get a different strain to produce viable eggs,there's your problem,you may be banging your head off a brick wall.
You may even have success if you breed one of your albinos with a different strain,but then it may be nigh impossible to work out which one is infertile.
One last thing,you said you bought a breeding pair at auction,had they actually produced wrigglers before or just laid eggs?

 

[kribensis12]

The lady who owned them didnt know they were a pair. They were in seperate jars, with tubes down. My trio is 2 dalmations and a Half Black angel. It shhould be fertility problems with them. It seems that they get a different fungus than the albino's eggs do though. The trio's eggs get a big clump of it, and they all go. The albino's just, each egg goes bad indiviually . They dont clump together.

 

[kribensis12]

I have a buyer for all 8 angels. I have to finish deworming them, and then she is giving me 40 dollars for them.

 

[Jim Curtis]

You clearly have no patience. Breeding cichlids isnt like breeding live bearers. It takes time for the FISH to get it right, especially a young pair. It could be that the male isnt able to fertilize them because of too much flow from the filter. Usually people use sponge filters in breeding tanks or they turn off canisters and such right after they see the female lay. Its also possible that you have a male who is infertile, or a female who just has bad eggs because of genetics.

 

[kribensis12]

I have sponge over the filters. Plus, they dont lay near the filters. It is hte patience, its the fact that im too disheartend to keep trying and having no results. I have been waitng 2 years for those angels, i think shows some patience. I have bred other cichlids that have taken patience. Kribensis, at first for me, were a challenge. They just wouldnt lay. I could figure out why, but eventually they started laying and hatchgin ect.

The albino pair isnt from lack of experience, they bred in their old tank, and ahve bred every week for the last 3 months in my tank. I am tentactively ruleing it as a infertile male. THe trio, have yellow eggs. I am assuming that they are fertile. But they go bad over night. You want to know whats really disheartening? When you get a call from a fishc lub member, who hasnt bred angels in 12 years, and tells me that some small quarter sized angel fry layed eggs, and that they are in wriggler stages! FIRST TRY. I am quite pissed off it isnt even funny.

 

[Jim Curtis]

"I have sponge over the filters."

Im not talking about the intake. The water needs to be still for the male to hit the eggs.

How often are you doing water changes?

 

[kribensis12]

Is it possible to put sponge anywhere else? The tank is 18 inches tall. There isnt too much water flow. The usually lay on the other side of the tank anyway. I do 25 percent weekly water changes. Half R/O half Tap.

 

[Jim Curtis]

You're confused or you just dont know what a sponge filter is.

Is it a barebottom tank? Is there a lot of decoration in it?

Do you have an airstone?