How Do You Class A New Species?

[Lynden]

yeah which is why we have the scientific name the common name like say fantail gold fish you could say the family or what ever else to discribe it and then the common name last witch would also be the sci name soo

fish.goldfish.(anything even more spacific).fantail

and in french say
poissons.goldfish.(**).fantail or something like that not to sure but the present systom lacks effeciantcy

That would be too weird for me

So if I were Japanese I would say Sakana.Gin.Sensu ? Wouldn't it be easier to just say Carassius auratus and have it mean 'Goldfish' no matter where I go?

Hmm...
Fish.Gold.Fan...
Poissons.Rouge.Veil...
Sakana.Gin.Sensu...
instead of Carassius auratus?

Now that lacks efficiency.

-Lynden

 

[karin15]

yeah which is why we have the scientific name the common name like say fantail gold fish you could say the family or what ever else to discribe it and then the common name last witch would also be the sci name soo

fish.goldfish.(anything even more spacific).fantail

and in french say
poissons.goldfish.(**).fantail or something like that not to sure but the present systom lacks effeciantcy

That would be too weird for me

So if I were Japanese I would say Sakana.Gin.Sensu ? Wouldn't it be easier to just say Carassius auratus and have it mean 'Goldfish' no matter where I go?

Hmm...
Fish.Gold.Fan...
Poissons.Rouge.Veil...
Sakana.Gin.Sensu...
instead of Carassius auratus?

Now that lacks efficiency.

-Lynden

yeah but no one speaks latin, you have think magority? uhhh you win this round thats my first loss waah...

 

[helterskelter]

If you found a new species there are several things u have to have.

Lateral line scale count (this may usualy differ between the species so say 56-64)
Vertical scale count
Fin ray count, dorsal and caudal fin (this may usualy differ between the species again)
Gill racker count, on the gill arch there are smallprojections called rackers.

These are the main things.

With livebearers the gonopodium is examined under the microscope as each species are different.

If u think u have a new species you need a good number of sample fish dead and alive.
Then take them to people like the nateral history mesium in london.

The fish are then studies for several years and some strange sicientest will name the fish.

If it's a new species there a several options he can take.

The first name (genus) if it's decided to ge classed as a platy for examply it will be called Xiphophorus
The seconed part of the name will now be decided.
If the locationin mexico was called Rio Ameca they may concider calling it Xiphophorus ameca
Or they may chose someing important, like say Montezuma who was a ruler os Aztec mexico which is where xiphophorus montezuma got it's name from.
Next option is a name that would describe the fish which has been said befor already, like multilineatus. multi= mutiple, lineatus=lined, so it's a multipul lines fish......
If they cant be used they may decide to use you name. If ur male and ur sure name is Smith then it may be called Xiphophorus smithi. if your female they end with something else i can think off hand may be an "e" but not sure.

Anything else?

P.s.


People dont speek latin!!!!!

Sadily many people do

Take the moonlight gouramie Trichogaster microlepis, break down the seconed part to micro and lepis

Micro what could that mean? small?
Lepis well that means scales

so it's small scales, u see the word lepis all over the place with fish names.......

 

[Gnatfish]

Thanks everyone who helped.

I've kinda got a better idea on the subject now.

Thanks

Gnatfish

 

[karin15]

I do love moonlight goramis, I'm so friggen hyper.

 

[demonmagus]

People dont speek latin!!!!!

Sadily many people do

Take the moonlight gouramie Trichogaster microlepis, break down the seconed part to micro and lepis

Micro what could that mean? small?
Lepis well that means scales

so it's small scales, u see the word lepis all over the place with fish names.......

hey I'm doing latin at GCSE


and microlepis, yeh you get toxotes microlepis - small scale archer

 

[helterskelter]

latin for GCSE u must be mad LOL

 

[karin15]

latin for GCSE u must be mad LOL

I know anything that confuses me makes me mad or at least anoyed, so therefore I hate latin

Thanks everyone who helped.

I've kinda got a better idea on the subject now.

Thanks

Gnatfish

I love your little picture thing it makes me happy Ill trade my fish for your freaky brown pillow monster
yaaay no school tommorow *Wispersream* huray*... technicaly speaking no school today

 

[andywg]

Just to reiterate, scientific names are not all in latin, they are most commonly latin or greek. A number include both languages in the same word creating a strange bilingual mix.

As alluded to by Lynden, the idea of a scientific name is that it is universal, no matter where you go the scientific name will refer to the same animal.

As an example: in the marine biology world the fish known as batfish refers to a family from the Order Lophiiformes that walk along the reef bottom. In the aquarium trade it refers to what marine biologists call Spadefish (such as fish of the Panchax species which are laterally rather than dorsally compressed).

By using the scientific names there will never be any confusion between the two types of fish (the former of the above reach a maximum length of 15" and need around a 6 foot tank, the Panchax get from 2 to 3 feet tall so really require a 4 foot deep tank - quite different requirements).

edit--

On the original topic, there is no real agreement on what a species is, or where species fall. Different taxonomists put different fish in different families and genera.

 

[demonmagus]

latin for GCSE u must be mad LOL

#

or just trying to look clever

it's actually good fun, and I didn't want to do music or whatever so latin was a good option

 

[karin15]

I was only bieng sily you know there is no agruement

 

[demonmagus]

I was only bieng sily you know there is no agruement

lol I know, but I love giving out reasons