Hot Take On The Aquarium Industry

Rusty_Shackleford

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I hardly ever watch YouTube fish related content and I just came across this video. I can't say that Patty is wrong.
What are your thoughts?

 
Sorry gwand, you are wrong. You made your post while I was typing mine.

I started to listen to the vid. I thinks his initial point is pretty on target and then he started in about cncer. That is when I realized the man is ignoranyt and should be ignored.

I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2022. I was fortunate in that most of the biopsies showed pretty early stage save for one. That one was from the top of the prostate and this is from where cancer will normally leave the prostate and spread. My urologist recommended radiation treatments and I had almost 30 sessions over that summer.

My cancer was detected as a result of mys PSAs being too high and having gotten there too rapidly. I was in the 10 to 11 range which is too high. This led to the biopsies and the diagnosis. The way one is monitored for cancer afterwards is by monitoring PSAs. My first test 6 months after the treatments were done was .06 and sincee then I have been a consistent .10. I am getting ready for my annual blood test for PSAs and expect to hit the lab for that tomorrow. So far so good.

Nowhere in the whole process did I have the impression that anything untoward was gping on or that I was being lied to or cheated. At no time did I see anyting that would make me think I was being used by large companies to enrich them at my expense. I was treated with both respect and concern from day one.

It gets even better in this respect. Last year I did the Cologuard Home test for colon cancer, It came back positive. So, I had my first full colonoscopy a few weeks later. At the age of 77 this found just 2 polyps and one incipient polyp all of whch were removed and checked for cancer. The doctor told me he saw absolutely no sign of cancer, and, unless the labs turned up something bad in the next few weeks, that I did not need to have another colonoscopy for the rest of my life.

Incidentally, the error rate for false positive Colguard results is 13%. So, I figured I was toast. Obviously, this was not the case. If companies were anything like the guy in the video implied, I should have been undergoing all sorts of unneeded expensive and unpleasant treatments.

So, when he started in the cancer stuff I stopped listening to the vid. This is a perfect example of why looking for information on YouTube or most social media is the best way to get less well informed and more ignorant most of the time. It is why I rely on Google Scholar more often than not for good science etc.
 
I was referring to his fish industry comments. I’m a physician scientist and just ignored his medical comment. He is suffering because his wife has cancer.
 
Sorry gwand, you are wrong. You made your post while I was typing mine.

I started to listen to the vid. I thinks his initial point is pretty on target and then he started in about cncer. That is when I realized the man is ignoranyt and should be ignored.

I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2022. I was fortunate in that most of the biopsies showed pretty early stage save for one. That one was from the top of the prostate and this is from where cancer will normally leave the prostate and spread. My urologist recommended radiation treatments and I had almost 30 sessions over that summer.

My cancer was detected as a result of mys PSAs being too high and having gotten there too rapidly. I was in the 10 to 11 range which is too high. This led to the biopsies and the diagnosis. The way one is monitored for cancer afterwards is by monitoring PSAs. My first test 6 months after the treatments were done was .06 and sincee then I have been a consistent .10. I am getting ready for my annual blood test for PSAs and expect to hit the lab for that tomorrow. So far so good.

Nowhere in the whole process did I have the impression that anything untoward was gping on or that I was being lied to or cheated. At no time did I see anyting that would make me think I was being used by large companies to enrich them at my expense. I was treated with both respect and concern from day one.

It gets even better in this respect. Last year I did the Cologuard Home test for colon cancer, It came back positive. So, I had my first full colonoscopy a few weeks later. At the age of 77 this found just 2 polyps and one incipient polyp all of whch were removed and checked for cancer. The doctor told me he saw absolutely no sign of cancer, and, unless the labs turned up something bad in the next few weeks, that I did not need to have another colonoscopy for the rest of my life.

Incidentally, the error rate for false positive Colguard results is 13%. So, I figured I was toast. Obviously, this was not the case. If companies were anything like the guy in the video implied, I should have been undergoing all sorts of unneeded expensive and unpleasant treatments.

So, when he started in the cancer stuff I stopped listening to the vid. This is a perfect example of why looking for information on YouTube or most social media is the best way to get less well informed and more ignorant most of the time. It is why I rely on Google Scholar more often than not for good science etc.
I'm not a conspiracy theory type of person. I just figured he was bitter about his wife having cancer and I ignored that part, I just disregarded it altogether. I wasn't there to listen to that and it's a completely separate debate. But the part that interests all of us, the aquarium part, he was spot on.
The training that employees at big box stores receive is laughable. One of my favorite past times is to stand in the fish section at Petsmart on a Saturday afternoon listening to the employees and just say, no that's not true, or you shouldn't do that. The 17 year old zit faced kid they hired has never kept fish ever.
 
On the other hand, there is a well known story out there, I read it in a book about dart frogs years ago when I was doing research. Apparently in the mid 70's hundreds of darts frogs from the species Epipidobates anthonyi were smuggled out of Ecuador and made their way to Abbott Labs. The scientists at Abbott isolated the dart frog toxins and synthesized the toxic part out of the formula. Supposedly what they found was a pain killing drug more powerful than morphine and non addictive. They stopped right there. Because how do you make money if you can't keep people addicted?
 
That story is nonsense. The holy grail of pain therapy is to discover powerful non addictive medications. There is a Nobel prize at the end of that quest.
 
When I see conspiracy stuff - unsubstantiated without sources, I lose respect for a channel. I won't be subscribing. He has an idea, he knows what he intends to say - and he pretends it'll all be off the top of his head. If he respected the intelligence of his viewers, he would organize his ideas transparently, and stay on topic.
I can see the anti-capitalist angle on a lot of conspiracy stuff, especially anti pharmaceutical company stuff, and I can see how he can go from pet stores to cancer, in a weird, roundabout way. But while the man may be suffering from terrible things happening in his family, he still needs to back up his ideas if he decides to go public. Tavern ranters have been around forever, and just because we offer a platform, it's still ranting and conspiratorial talk. It's lazy.

My old man rant is that the aquarium industry at its largest levels doesn't care if new hobbyists live or die. It doesn't care what they need, and it doesn't build a hobby. It needs to pay off its shareholders. They make their money from fish this week, and from shoes next week. Their money goes where it keep them wealthy. We're naive if we expect anything else.

These aren't family owned businesses if they have shareholders. They extract wealth, without passion. We can argue with the business model, but we support it. I know Mom and Pop style stores that work hard to build a hobby and to help newcomers, but they have direct contact with the people they need to survive. A giant chain with stadiums named after it probably has a CEO and upper hierarchy who don't even know where half their stores are, or who the local people are who run their franchises. Customers? They're just dollars.

I used to talk with some corporate fish distributors - fish farm guys. They wouldn't say "fish". They only said "units".

It destroys the hobby, and it does create failure. As long as the profits are there, that's what matters to it. If "the hobby" vanishes, investment will go elsewhere.

There are smaller operations that do understand their clientele as something other than numbers. There are companies who try to build the hobby. They operate differently, and may be as frustrated by the monopoly type competition as hobbyists are. You have to look at products, chains, stores, sellers and opinions like mine case by case...

There was a guy who found an elixir that grows legs and they say you can do glofish that will dance the can can. But they won't sell it because the churches don't like the dancing.
 
That story is nonsense. The holy grail of pain therapy is to discover powerful non addictive medications. There is a Nobel prize at the end of that quest.
Some nonsense, but not total nonsense.
Poison From Frog Skin Leads to a Painkiller - The New York Times https://share.google/QplzSyeDR6iitqoju
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That’s how conspiracy theories begin. You start with a true and totally reasonable story and then distort it.
 
When I see conspiracy stuff - unsubstantiated without sources, I lose respect for a channel. I won't be subscribing. He has an idea, he knows what he intends to say - and he pretends it'll all be off the top of his head. If he respected the intelligence of his viewers, he would organize his ideas transparently, and stay on topic.
I can see the anti-capitalist angle on a lot of conspiracy stuff, especially anti pharmaceutical company stuff, and I can see how he can go from pet stores to cancer, in a weird, roundabout way. But while the man may be suffering from terrible things happening in his family, he still needs to back up his ideas if he decides to go public. Tavern ranters have been around forever, and just because we offer a platform, it's still ranting and conspiratorial talk. It's lazy.

My old man rant is that the aquarium industry at its largest levels doesn't care if new hobbyists live or die. It doesn't care what they need, and it doesn't build a hobby. It needs to pay off its shareholders. They make their money from fish this week, and from shoes next week. Their money goes where it keep them wealthy. We're naive if we expect anything else.

These aren't family owned businesses if they have shareholders. They extract wealth, without passion. We can argue with the business model, but we support it. I know Mom and Pop style stores that work hard to build a hobby and to help newcomers, but they have direct contact with the people they need to survive. A giant chain with stadiums named after it probably has a CEO and upper hierarchy who don't even know where half their stores are, or who the local people are who run their franchises. Customers? They're just dollars.

I used to talk with some corporate fish distributors - fish farm guys. They wouldn't say "fish". They only said "units".

It destroys the hobby, and it does create failure. As long as the profits are there, that's what matters to it. If "the hobby" vanishes, investment will go elsewhere.

There are smaller operations that do understand their clientele as something other than numbers. There are companies who try to build the hobby. They operate differently, and may be as frustrated by the monopoly type competition as hobbyists are. You have to look at products, chains, stores, sellers and opinions like mine case by case...

There was a guy who found an elixir that grows legs and they say you can do glofish that will dance the can can. But they won't sell it because the churches don't like the dancing.
Oh come on Gary. The guy spent 15 minutes giving his opinion about the fish industry and maybe 30 seconds on a side comment about cancer therapies. Give the guy a break!
 
I'm sure not many of you frequent Petsmart and I try not to if I can avoid it, but last fall when I first set up my tank I went there to have my water tested. It was before my API kit arrived. When they test your water they give you a piece of paper with all of your parameters on it and at the bottom is a coupon for any API chemical you may need. Why can't they make a sheet like that explaining the nitrogen cycle and how it works? I've never seen any fish store have anything like that. That information coupled with the test sheet would go a long way in explaining and tracking where a tank is in cycling.
Instead these big box stores are relying on the kid relaying the information by mouth, most likely that information is not being retained by the time the customer walks out of the store.
Look at any fish forum, what's the #1 posted query? Cycling problems, cycling issues, is my tank cycled?
 
I'm getting dizzy. It must be my psa which range from 1.38 and 2.56 the past 15 years. Anyway what did the guy say - it must have been bad or controversey.

oh well hopefully we will not diverge to talking about the puppy business....
 
I'm getting dizzy. It must be my psa which range from 1.38 and 2.56 the past 15 years. Anyway what did the guy say - it must have been bad or controversey.

oh well hopefully we will not diverge to talking about the puppy business....
Are you ok buddy?
Basically what this guy in the video is saying is that the aquarium industry is setting new people up to fail and become dependent on big box stores. Social Media and YouTube gets an assist in the failure as well.
It's the same things we all say about the big boxes and why more advanced hobbyists avoid them like the plague, or ich.
 

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