Help! Tetra Has Spots

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So just started my first tank, all was well, then I wake up today to find spots on a couple of tetra. All ten still alive, but this one has got spots don't know if is bacteria, fungi, parasite or maybe just stress. Ammonia is .5ppm total, 0 nitrites nitrates and ph 7.4. I am so hoping this is not ICH, but alas that is what I fear. Its on the third one down.
 
After doing some more research, it doesn't appear to be ICH, but I have no clue what it is, I put some stress coat in the water, just going to keep an eye on it. If anyone knows what it is please post. Will try and get a better picture. All fish seem to be doing fine otherwise, eating well, and what not.

I found something on the internet that looks exactly like what my fish are doing the consensus was stress. I just want to make sure it isn't anything I Have to treat.
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If you've got a reading 0.5ppm, at a pH of 7.4, then you've got quite a toxic tank. It may well be that which is causing the issue with the fish - I can't see clearly enough to see what the problem is.
 
You need to do a 75% water change straight away. Then have a read of the green link in my signature area, it will explain the fish-in cycling process in great detail, and will tell you how to ensure your fish stay safe while the bacteria colonies grow.
 
the_lock_man said:
If you've got a reading 0.5ppm, at a pH of 7.4, then you've got quite a toxic tank. It may well be that which is causing the issue with the fish - I can't see clearly enough to see what the problem is.
 
You need to do a 75% water change straight away. Then have a read of the green link in my signature area, it will explain the fish-in cycling process in great detail, and will tell you how to ensure your fish stay safe while the bacteria colonies grow.
I will do a water change, but just fyi it is 0.5ppm total ammonia not dissolved, so it shouldn't be toxic at all my meter on my tank isn't even out of the yellow. But I will do a 75% water change, can't hurt I guess. Tank is still cycling, doing a fish in cycle, so I expect some hiccups.
here are some more PICS






Doing a 75% water change now, will post ammonia post change.
 
So did a 75% water change, got ammonia down to at or below 0.25ppm. Hopefully this will help. yes I treated water with DE chlorinator, and I read the post in your sig. Overnighting a python, buckets are not my forte. Using an API master kit btw.
 
And thank you The_Lock_Man for the prompt reply and help! Ordered they Python it will be here tomorrow, I foresee daily 50%+ water changes in my future. I Can't let the fish die, wife will never forgive me
 
Anyone else have any ideas? does it look like ICH at all or think it is just de-coloration from stress. Ammonia is around .25 ppm after another 50% change. Going to do a 90% water change later today when i get my python in, like i said, done with the bucket back and forth. All fish still living and eating.
 
Here are some better Pics, They are still alive and eating fine. I just want to make sure this is nothing of infectious nature, still no answers. Any guesses would be appreciated, I have no clue. Ammonia is about .25ppm or less ph 7.4 0 nitrites or nitrates. Tank is still cycling. My platys and Gourami seem to be unaffected. All fish are eating well and swimming well. Some of the tetras (2) are more dull then clear through.




 
hmm i dont suppose you have a QT tank?
cant see anything from the pics but little white dots are a sigh of ich.
if were looking at every factor here, prefably the ph level for glowlights needs to be 7 or below, although i dont think that has to do with anything.
 
Neons I now are 6.0-7.0, but on the reading I did glowlights said they can go up to 7.5 without any issue (hopefully what I read was true). Going to just do more water changes later today, and hope for the best. they aren't swimming funny just have those spots around gills and on body, and it is only on some of them. I think I've ruled out ICH as all the pics ive seen are perfectly round white spots, these are not. Possibly ammonia poisoning? Doing daily water changes of 50 to 75% depending on levels. Will do one today after I wake up. Thanks for your response, and no, no QT tank, this is my first one, trying to do my best with a fish in cycle, wifes orders, and if wife isn't happy no one is hehe.
 
like i said probaly wasnt the factor.
yes the best thing to do is keep the cycle going and in the future get a QT.
 
So, update, I think it may be Neon tetra disease. been treating with Quick cure for 2 days, no effect. Could it possibly be something bacterial, or is this the dreaded NTD (neon tetra disease)? Here are some updated pics.


Oh water parameters, Ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 0 pH 7.4
 
Hello Brian,
Looks like you have a bit of a rough time getting started with your aquarium. Not only are you still cycling your tank you may now also have to treat your fish already for diseases! Don't panic though, I'm sure we can help you get through this!
 
First off, fish, if they are only stressed may look paler but will not develop these spots unless they are actually infected with something. Stress lowers the immune-system and makes them more susceptible to diseases. These spots that you are seeing on your fish are a sign of disease!
 
I'm not sure if it is ich, or at least I am not sure if all of these spots look like ich. You could very well be dealing with more than one problem here. It could be ich combined with a bacterial or fungal infection. Ich spots look like grains of salt, that will fall off during the life cycle of the parasite. Some of the spots on your fish look larger and more hazy, you would need to determine if they could be a bacterial infection or fungal. Treatment would be different for each!
 
As to NTD, do you see any tumor like bumps in your fish's flesh, like a thickening? Do any of them seem a little twisted looking, uneven? NTD will do that since the spores settled in the flesh. If any of them die, be sure to remove them to prevent other fish from eating the infected flesh. There is no treatment for NTD and you may need to consider to euthanize the fish! Have a look at how to humanely euthanize a fish, there are several methods and it is a very personal choice for everyone!
 
To help you diagnose those spots I've tried to find a site that shows pictures as well as a discription: http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/fish_palace/tropicalfish_disease_identification.html
 
As to cycling your tank, how long has your tank been set up? Even though your readings of ammonia and nitrite are perfect, please be aware that a cycled tank will have readings of NitrAte. When you measure your NitrAte levels be sure to shake, shake, shake that #2 liquid test bottle, for at least 3 minutes, shake until you feel like your arm is falling off, otherwise you will get a false reading! 
If you know someone with a mature tank you could ask them if they are willing to donate some of the filter material to you to give your tank a bit of a boost! It would speed things up in the cycling process and be better for your fish!
 
Your pH of 7.4 will not matter to your fish once the tank is cycled, fish can adapt to the pH of your city's water. The pH is important however while you are going through the cycling process because a higher pH increases the toxicity of Ammonia in your tank. As long as you keep both Ammonia and Nitrite (not NitrAte) as close to 0 as you can you'll be fine! 
 
Hope this helps!
 
Its ntd going to have to euthanize all ten tetras and clean out tank. Argg. It isn't parasitic or bacterial or fungal as ive treated for that. Also my platys and gourami show no signs of sickness. Thanks for your quick response.
 
After viewing the website you linked it possibly could have been columnaris but since it was only effecting my tetras I erred on the side of caution and euthanized them in a baking soda bath(very quick). Like I said my platys and gourami have no signs of infection all my tetras were infected so I would assume ntd.
 

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