Help Needed. Dwarf Gourami Fry

[super-MAGuire]

I have been raising some dawrf gourami fry for just over 3 month now, a few weeks ago i had sorted 3 containers in according to size containing 10 individuals at around 5-8mm.

I thought my main losses where over but the past couple of weeks one by one they seem to have gotten sick and dying (only a handfull left now). They just seem as if they have no boyancy and just sit on the bottom then turn on their side for a couple of days befor dying. They have been doing great until this, and growing well on microwork and crushed flake racently...

could this be the problem, or is the the darf gourami disease kicking in as they mature or something else

They are all over 10mm now and has been affecting all the tanks i have split them into.

Anyone got any info would be greatly appreciated.

 

[BerryAttack]

have you kept up with water changes? it could be because of ammonia.. ph levels, nitrates. if the nitrates are too high that kill them very easily. in the water changes you take out left over food, poop etc. did you treat the water that you are giving them? or have you been putting straight tap water. if so that's no good. is there over crowding?
what type of food have you been feeding them?

 

[super-MAGuire]

have you kept up with water changes? it could be because of ammonia.. ph levels, nitrates. if the nitrates are too high that kill them very easily. in the water changes you take out left over food, poop etc. did you treat the water that you are giving them? or have you been putting straight tap water. if so that's no good. is there over crowding?
what type of food have you been feeding them?

yeah, been doing everything by the book, 50% water per day and siphon the food back up after about an hour, been feeding mirco worms from a culture i have and some crushed flake dissolved/broken down in tank water befor giving them it. Over crowding is not a issue as that have about 1.7liters of water each... befor they started dying so they have over 3liters each now. its just happened all of a sudden. I have not changed anything with the way i look after them. the water changes i have been using 1/2 tank water from my community tank and 1/2 dechlorinated tap water. The reson for this is the tank is suspended in my community tank, and water is originally from it so thought i'd best keep it fairly stable with maxing the tank water with it.

Just baffels me how its pretty sudden as i thought they had stablised... and might just be unlucky also have a feeling it may be dwarf gourami disease... as it sounds like it and i know the mortality rates are HIGH.

 

[BerryAttack]

have you kept up with water changes? it could be because of ammonia.. ph levels, nitrates. if the nitrates are too high that kill them very easily. in the water changes you take out left over food, poop etc. did you treat the water that you are giving them? or have you been putting straight tap water. if so that's no good. is there over crowding?
what type of food have you been feeding them?

yeah, been doing everything by the book, 50% water per day and siphon the food back up after about an hour, been feeding mirco worms from a culture i have and some crushed flake dissolved/broken down in tank water befor giving them it. Over crowding is not a issue as that have about 1.7liters of water each... befor they started dying so they have over 3liters each now. its just happened all of a sudden. I have not changed anything with the way i look after them. the water changes i have been using 1/2 tank water from my community tank and 1/2 dechlorinated tap water. The reson for this is the tank is suspended in my community tank, and water is originally from it so thought i'd best keep it fairly stable with maxing the tank water with it.

Just baffels me how its pretty sudden as i thought they had stablised... and might just be unlucky also have a feeling it may be dwarf gourami disease... as it sounds like it and i know the mortality rates are HIGH.

oh tap water.. now you do use the products to take the chlorine out of it, but then you need it to stand for over night to let the chlorine evaporate out of it just to be sure. but i find that using the tank water from your other tank may have some high pH level with nitrates etc.. have you checked what they are at?

when changing the water do you let it become the same temp as the water already inside their habitat, if it fluctuates to much then they could be killing them.

i would say start doing a 20% water change for them, maybe the changing of the amount of water every day is too much for them, or you can cut back to 40% or 30%...

if they do have the disease then when you see a baby going a little weird take it out and put it in a separate tank so that the other babies are less exposed to this.

For the first week of their life they should be fed a micro-food, like rotifers or store bought fry food. The second and next few weeks they will need to be fed finely ground store bought food and fresh hatched brine shrimp. I believe that if your fish are about 10mm then they should be moved up to the brine shrimp. Also how often are you feeding them? how much.. do they look fat or skinny?

try that and see if it works. if they continue to die then they do have the disease and when you try to breed again have the tank outside the main tank and start again. you'll have to clean everything.. no soap lmao and have the tank do a fish less cycle for a few days before putting the pair in to breed..

 

[super-MAGuire]

have you kept up with water changes? it could be because of ammonia.. ph levels, nitrates. if the nitrates are too high that kill them very easily. in the water changes you take out left over food, poop etc. did you treat the water that you are giving them? or have you been putting straight tap water. if so that's no good. is there over crowding?
what type of food have you been feeding them?

yeah, been doing everything by the book, 50% water per day and siphon the food back up after about an hour, been feeding mirco worms from a culture i have and some crushed flake dissolved/broken down in tank water befor giving them it. Over crowding is not a issue as that have about 1.7liters of water each... befor they started dying so they have over 3liters each now. its just happened all of a sudden. I have not changed anything with the way i look after them. the water changes i have been using 1/2 tank water from my community tank and 1/2 dechlorinated tap water. The reson for this is the tank is suspended in my community tank, and water is originally from it so thought i'd best keep it fairly stable with maxing the tank water with it.

Just baffels me how its pretty sudden as i thought they had stablised... and might just be unlucky also have a feeling it may be dwarf gourami disease... as it sounds like it and i know the mortality rates are HIGH.

oh tap water.. now you do use the products to take the chlorine out of it, but then you need it to stand for over night to let the chlorine evaporate out of it just to be sure. but i find that using the tank water from your other tank may have some high pH level with nitrates etc.. have you checked what they are at?

when changing the water do you let it become the same temp as the water already inside their habitat, if it fluctuates to much then they could be killing them.

i would say start doing a 20% water change for them, maybe the changing of the amount of water every day is too much for them, or you can cut back to 40% or 30%...

if they do have the disease then when you see a baby going a little weird take it out and put it in a separate tank so that the other babies are less exposed to this.

For the first week of their life they should be fed a micro-food, like rotifers or store bought fry food. The second and next few weeks they will need to be fed finely ground store bought food and fresh hatched brine shrimp. I believe that if your fish are about 10mm then they should be moved up to the brine shrimp. Also how often are you feeding them? how much.. do they look fat or skinny?

try that and see if it works. if they continue to die then they do have the disease and when you try to breed again have the tank outside the main tank and start again. you'll have to clean everything.. no soap lmao and have the tank do a fish less cycle for a few days before putting the pair in to breed..

Ive decided to try going 2 smaller water changes a day see if they improve anything. the 1st few days i fed them liquifry 1, about 3-4times a day in accodrance to the volume of water. then i moved them onto a home mix of egg yolk and crushed flake, with a little bit of liquifry to help them on the way, then i introduced micro worms that i have cultured. It has been fine for 3 month then all of a sudden they have been lying on the side one by one for a few days, still feeding but ending in death eventually. The do look pretty fat, i thought i could have over fed them and ruptured their stomach... but not sure. I think they have swim bladder infections or dwarg gourami disease... but thats at a semi guess from watching them.

 

[BerryAttack]

if they do look pretty fat then cut down the amount of food when feeding.
and usually this will help with swim bladder infection is to feed them cooked peas. one of my gourami had issues with his swim bladder and i gave him peas.. loved them got a bit better. was able to swim around but then occasionally he would spin, but then rest and would be fine. they also say to stop feeding for a few days to let the digestion clean out, but you have babies so you want them to continue to grow..

also is there any current in the tank? an air bubblier.. try feeding more oxygen into the tank and yes i know that they don't like a lot of current, but to have a small amount from a small filter is usually good to keep them active. i always found that with my fish if there is no current.. then the water can get stale and then they usually die.
since they are so small just put an air bubblier..
and sometimes these things do happen, but all you can do it try. hope they stop dieing.. how many have you lost so far and how many are left?

 

[super-MAGuire]

if they do look pretty fat then cut down the amount of food when feeding.
and usually this will help with swim bladder infection is to feed them cooked peas. one of my gourami had issues with his swim bladder and i gave him peas.. loved them got a bit better. was able to swim around but then occasionally he would spin, but then rest and would be fine. they also say to stop feeding for a few days to let the digestion clean out, but you have babies so you want them to continue to grow..

also is there any current in the tank? an air bubblier.. try feeding more oxygen into the tank and yes i know that they don't like a lot of current, but to have a small amount from a small filter is usually good to keep them active. i always found that with my fish if there is no current.. then the water can get stale and then they usually die.
since they are so small just put an air bubblier..
and sometimes these things do happen, but all you can do it try. hope they stop dieing.. how many have you lost so far and how many are left?

Yeah i was going to say they are about the size of peas, i will give then a 16hour fast and see if they improve, i have a air driven sponge filters in each just to break the surface tension and keep a bit movement in the water. I was talking to a friend who breeds corys, plecs and dinos successfully and regular. he claimed aquarium salt helps keep infections down and his survival rate is much better. I have not done any reading of this yet so going to have a look into it later tonight when i get some time. out of the 30 i sorted by size a couple of weeks ago i just counted 7 left 2 are on their sides so i suspect they will have passed in a day or two... not looking good. But i thought the main lossed where over 2 weeks ago, everything looked set and comfortable, but obviously not.

Its the 1st spawn i had, and their is another batch of wrigglers so suppose its a leaning curve. They might not be very good quality adults dispite appearance, so fry mortality very very high.

 

[BerryAttack]

yea just keep at it and the salts that your friend is talking about does help.. sorry forgot to mention that..

well keep at it soon you'll know what to do down pat.. sorry for your lost

hope you get some that survive to adult hood and are very healthy

 

[super-MAGuire]

yea just keep at it and the salts that your friend is talking about does help.. sorry forgot to mention that..

well keep at it soon you'll know what to do down pat.. sorry for your lost

hope you get some that survive to adult hood and are very healthy

Yeah thanks for the help and info, might invest in the salts. I think the surviving ones will be hard as nails and able to live in bleech by the way this is going! haha

See what happens the next few weeks with the survivors!

 

[BerryAttack]

good luck hope everything works out for the best..