Help! My Fish Is Near Death And Could Be Saved!

[jnc0310]

Ok guys I need help! One of my marbled angels is currently sideways barely alive but still moving and breathing at the top of the tank. I have another post in the NWC about how one of my fish has red eyes and how they were both swimming at the top of the tank. Well, apparently something is up and I might be too late to save it! I've attached photos of it. I must also say that besides red eyes it has a little bubble or bump on the side of it, practically right in the middle of it's body. I tried to take a picture of it but with it being in the corner it was hard to catch. If you get near or splash it with water it will move to a normal swim position but shortly will return to it's side.

Hopefully there is something I can do to save it When I left for work this morning at 7 the fish was swimming on it's side like it is now.

Background info is the Ammonia, Nitrate an Nitrite are all at 0 and the PH is at about 6.8. I have live plants in there and I've owned the fish for 5 days.

Any info or any kind of help would be appreciated! I feel terrible that my fish is alive and there might be something I could do but I just don't have the knowledge. Thanks guys!

 

[WILDER]

The red eyes are they pools of blood as thats septicemia.
Do the angels look bloated or thin.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing against objects in the tank.
What your tap nitrate reading as it quite rare to have a reading of 0.

it sounds bacterial to me.
The lump is it solid looking or filled with fluid.

To be honest the fish looks to far gone to me and its suffering by the look of it in the pics.

 

[WILDER]

Look under eyes.
Are you sure the eyes are not meant to be red.
http/www.aquarticles.com/articles/manage..._sick_fish.html

 

[jnc0310]

The red eyes are they pools of blood as thats septicemia.
Do the angels look bloated or thin.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing against objects in the tank.
What your tap nitrate reading as it quite rare to have a reading of 0.

it sounds bacterial to me.
The lump is it solid looking or filled with fluid.

I don't know what the red eyes are from? I attached another picture hopefully that will show the eyes better?
They definitely don't look bloated. They are kinda thin but not thinner then when I bought them!
No signs of flicking or anything.
Tap nitrate do you mean test the tap water from my sink? Sorry I'm confused by that? My tank is only a little over a week old and I added water conditioner to it after I put the water in if that means anything?

The lump is under the skin? So if I had to guess it's solid?

I know my picture isn't all that good but I keep getting the reflection from the glass, hopefully this helps?

 

[jnc0310]

I'm not sure. That's the question I asked in the other forum. I think its possible they are supposed to be red because half the fish in the tank where I bought them were red but some weren't. I have 2 fish, one with red eyes, one without. I just added that as a symptom incase they weren't supposed to be like that?

 

[WILDER]

How many gallons is the tank.
How many fish and which type.
The lump could be a tumour if its solid looking.
Also being thin can be internal parasites, old age, fish tb,, not feeding enough.
Did you do a fishless cycle or just add fish to the new tank.
I would pm tolak he great on angels as I have to go now.

Signs of internal parasites are.
long stringy white poo or clear mucas poo.
Worms prutruding from the anus.
Being thin or bloated.
Enlarged anus to red inflamed anus.
bent spines sometimes.
Sunken in belly.

This is tolak.
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showuser=2323

 

[jnc0310]

How many gallons is the tank.
How many fish and which type.
The lump could be a tumour if its solid looking.
Also being thin can be internal parasites, old age, fish tb,, not feeding enough.
Did you do a fishless cycle or just add fish to the new tank.
I would pm tolak he great on angels as I have to go now.

The tank is 10 gallons, I have 2 marble angelfish and that's it.
I set up my tank and let the filter run with no fish for 2 days but after that I put the fish in. I don't know if that's considered a cycle or not? The instructions for the tank said to let it run 2 days then it was okay to add fish. So I did?

Ok, I'll try talking with him. Thanks for your help and the quick response!

 

[WILDER]

You need to read up on the nitrogen cycle which you will find in new to the hobby.
I would preform an immediate water change and increase aeration in the tank.
To be honest the fish dosn't sound to good at all I would prepare for the worst.
Usually with lump try a bacterial med but if its a tumour the med won't do anything.
http/www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/cycling.htm

 

[jnc0310]

You need to read up on the nitrogen cycle which you will find in new to the hobby.
I would preform an immediate water change and increase aeration in the tank.
To be honest the fish dosn't sound to good at all I would prepare for the worst.
Usually with lump try a bacterial med but if its a tumour the med won't do anything.
[URL="http/www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/cycling.htm"]http/www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/cycling.htm[/URL]

Thanks I'll look into that article. When you say water change do you mean all of the water or just a partial water change? Sorry for all the questions, I'm really new to this! I figured I should expect the worst but when it was still alive after I got home from work that there might be something I could do.

 

[WILDER]

Do a 30% water change it will help the other angel out aswell.
Has the lump just suddenly appeared if so there usually bacterial.
Its hard on fish in a newly set up tank as they have to go through the ammonia and nitrite process which normally takes it toll on fish as it weakens there immune system due to stress, and burns there skin and gills.
The lump could be pushing on the swim bladder.
I don't expect him to make it if i'm honest.
Please read up on cycling of a tank.
Fishless cycle is the best as the fish don't suffer.

 

[Tolak]

Wilder is on the money with this one. 30% water change, buy a test kit & test daily for ammonia & nitrite. You will probably be doing daily water changes for a couple of weeks, it would help if you could find some mature media to get the cycle moving along. http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=150631

A 10 gallon is too small for angels, you will have to get them in a larger tank as they grow, a 20 or 29 are considered minimum.

Adding antibiotics to a cycling tank sort of defeats the purpose of cycling, antibiotics often don't discriminate between good bacteria & bad, often killing a portion or all of your nitrifying bacteria. An angel in an uncycled 10 with a swim bladder problem is not good, if you do decide to medicate, Maracyn & Maracyn II, 50% daily water changes, remed daily for 7-10 days.

 

[jnc0310]

Wilder is on the money with this one. 30% water change, buy a test kit & test daily for ammonia & nitrite. You will probably be doing daily water changes for a couple of weeks, it would help if you could find some mature media to get the cycle moving along. [URL="http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=150631"]http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=150631[/URL]

A 10 gallon is too small for angels, you will have to get them in a larger tank as they grow, a 20 or 29 are considered minimum.

Adding antibiotics to a cycling tank sort of defeats the purpose of cycling, antibiotics often don't discriminate between good bacteria & bad, often killing a portion or all of your nitrifying bacteria. An angel in an uncycled 10 with a swim bladder problem is not good, if you do decide to medicate, Maracyn & Maracyn II, 50% daily water changes, remed daily for 7-10 days.

Thanks you guys for all your help and words of wisdom. But my poor sick angel went to the big toilet bowl in the sky last night shortly after the posts. Guess it couldn't hold on any longer After giving it a proper burial/flush I did a 30% water change, put in new water and tested everything. The PH went down quite a bit to 6.4 from a 6.8 that it was before the water change. Is that normal? My other fish which I've named "Trooper" since he is just that for making it out alive... is currently swimming at the surface alot! I fear something is the matter with him too?!

How long am I supposed to do daily water changes? Do I condition the water each time before adding it?

Again, my apologies for all the questions but you'll never know the answers unless you ask

Thanks guys!!

 

[Spishkey]

sorry for your loss, but i just wanted to let you know the red on its eye was just normal markings, my marbled has the same

 

[AmyStardust]

Wilder is on the money with this one. 30% water change, buy a test kit & test daily for ammonia & nitrite. You will probably be doing daily water changes for a couple of weeks, it would help if you could find some mature media to get the cycle moving along. <a href="http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=150631" target="_blank">http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=150631</a>

A 10 gallon is too small for angels, you will have to get them in a larger tank as they grow, a 20 or 29 are considered minimum.

Adding antibiotics to a cycling tank sort of defeats the purpose of cycling, antibiotics often don't discriminate between good bacteria & bad, often killing a portion or all of your nitrifying bacteria. An angel in an uncycled 10 with a swim bladder problem is not good, if you do decide to medicate, Maracyn & Maracyn II, 50% daily water changes, remed daily for 7-10 days.

Thanks you guys for all your help and words of wisdom. But my poor sick angel went to the big toilet bowl in the sky last night shortly after the posts. Guess it couldn't hold on any longer After giving it a proper burial/flush I did a 30% water change, put in new water and tested everything. The PH went down quite a bit to 6.4 from a 6.8 that it was before the water change. Is that normal? My other fish which I've named "Trooper" since he is just that for making it out alive... is currently swimming at the surface alot! I fear something is the matter with him too?!

How long am I supposed to do daily water changes? Do I condition the water each time before adding it?

Again, my apologies for all the questions but you'll never know the answers unless you ask

Thanks guys!!

You have to do the daily water changes for a quite a while - at least a month...

I did the same as you - bought my tank - set it up for a week and then put fish in. Needless to say after 24 hours they didn't look good!

Take out about 30% of your water every day (you can buy a syphon that makes this quite easy) and replace it with fresh water - make sure you have added dechlorinator!

I bought a liquid testing kit that tests pH, Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrates - this has helped a lot! Your ammonia level needs to be as close to 0 as you can get it - otherwise your fish will end up poisoned!

You can also pick up filter bacteria boosters for your filter and ammonia remover from most pet shops!

I'm still really new around here so please keep asking questions - I'm sure other members will have some better advice for you!

Good luck

 

[WILDER]

Bless him R.I.P.
Ph can be all of the place in a cycling tank.