Help! Clown Loach White Spot?
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N0body Of The Goat
Oddball and African riverine fish keeper
I would say that is Ich aka whitespot.
You will need to treat the whole tank, but because Clown Loaches are sensitive to medication, wait for more advice (hopefully from Wilder)... It might be better to quarantine the loaches in a seperate redcued medication level tank, while running full dose on the main one.
Clown Loaches are very prone to Ich, the stress of just being a pair could be a factor here, if I was to ever get them I would have no less than 12 (enabling to form a complex hierachal structure). They come from warm (25C minimum) water with lots of flow (would be very happy with 20x water turnover per hour), in the hobby you are far better buying the right size tank for them once (a 6x2x2) but a higher capacity 4-footer like a Rio240 would suffice for a few years. "Marge" was well over 30cm (have a google)!
Your golden morph Chinese Algae Eater is another monster I'm afraid, could indeed be another stress factor, they reach ~40cm and have a nasty habit on latching onto the flanks of tankmates. Typically very spiteful fish as they mature, it begs belief why such fish are allowed to be sold in their hundreds of thousands each year around the globe to "innocent" fishkeepers.
You will need to treat the whole tank, but because Clown Loaches are sensitive to medication, wait for more advice (hopefully from Wilder)... It might be better to quarantine the loaches in a seperate redcued medication level tank, while running full dose on the main one.
Clown Loaches are very prone to Ich, the stress of just being a pair could be a factor here, if I was to ever get them I would have no less than 12 (enabling to form a complex hierachal structure). They come from warm (25C minimum) water with lots of flow (would be very happy with 20x water turnover per hour), in the hobby you are far better buying the right size tank for them once (a 6x2x2) but a higher capacity 4-footer like a Rio240 would suffice for a few years. "Marge" was well over 30cm (have a google)!
Your golden morph Chinese Algae Eater is another monster I'm afraid, could indeed be another stress factor, they reach ~40cm and have a nasty habit on latching onto the flanks of tankmates. Typically very spiteful fish as they mature, it begs belief why such fish are allowed to be sold in their hundreds of thousands each year around the globe to "innocent" fishkeepers.
Thank you for the advise, I was sold them on good faith they would be happy together looks like if they make it ill buy a dozen more! Ive only noticed it yesterday will it be ok to leave a couple of days before we get a yes or no ?
Liam
Liam
N0body Of The Goat
Oddball and African riverine fish keeper
I'd say for now hold back on any meds for now and do not add salt to the main tank, this is something that will badly stress Clown loaches.
What you can do in the meantime, before getting more opinions from "Wilder" and alike, is start slowly increasing the temperature of the water (it should already be at ~25C, raise the heater thermostat by 1C about every hour until the water reaches 30C) and increase the surface water agitation (powerheads if you have them, or air pumps, get the filter output higher than the water surface for lots of splashing... warm water holds less oxygen, this will lower further once you add meds).
Get back to us ASAP about the all fish/critters in the tank, there are some species that might not appreciate much more then 27/28C.
What you can do in the meantime, before getting more opinions from "Wilder" and alike, is start slowly increasing the temperature of the water (it should already be at ~25C, raise the heater thermostat by 1C about every hour until the water reaches 30C) and increase the surface water agitation (powerheads if you have them, or air pumps, get the filter output higher than the water surface for lots of splashing... warm water holds less oxygen, this will lower further once you add meds).
Get back to us ASAP about the all fish/critters in the tank, there are some species that might not appreciate much more then 27/28C.
Thank you, so the tank has been turned up a notch to 26C and the top water is now agitated.
I have a fair few fish so here goes :
20 + tetras
10 + mollies
10 + guppies
1 silver shark
1 plec
2 of the algae eaters
1 aquatic frog
10 + shrimp
2 leopard catfish
1 Pakistani loach
2 clown loach
1 panda bottom feeder
I think thats it
Liam
I have a fair few fish so here goes :
20 + tetras
10 + mollies
10 + guppies
1 silver shark
1 plec
2 of the algae eaters
1 aquatic frog
10 + shrimp
2 leopard catfish
1 Pakistani loach
2 clown loach
1 panda bottom feeder
I think thats it
Liam
How many gallon is the tank.
If you have a test kit can you post your water stats please.
Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.
If the spots are the size of a grain of salt I would get treating.
I agree with nobody of the goat clown loaches are very prone to whitespot.
Also very sensitive to parasite meds.
Raise temp.
Add med.
Increase aeration.
Remove black carbon from filer if you use it.
A pic of whitespot.
If you have a test kit can you post your water stats please.
Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.
If the spots are the size of a grain of salt I would get treating.
I agree with nobody of the goat clown loaches are very prone to whitespot.
Also very sensitive to parasite meds.
Raise temp.
Add med.
Increase aeration.
Remove black carbon from filer if you use it.
A pic of whitespot.
Nitrite reading of 100 is really serious for your fish.
You will have to keep doing water changes. Then you will have to add the correct amount of med back to water removed by the water change.
How long has your tank been set up?
You will have to keep doing water changes. Then you will have to add the correct amount of med back to water removed by the water change.
How long has your tank been set up?
NO2 is nitrite.
If your nitrite reading 0. That's good.
Could do with ammonia reading.
Take a sample of your tank water to the lfs for testing. Ask them to write the readings down for you.
If you do buy test kits. Liquid test kits are the best.
If your nitrite reading 0. That's good.
Could do with ammonia reading.
Take a sample of your tank water to the lfs for testing. Ask them to write the readings down for you.
If you do buy test kits. Liquid test kits are the best.
I meant 125 liters 
I have a dip kit which doesnt do it, guess ill have to go back in the morning to get a kit for that then.
Should i treat now? The only thing my store had was Interpet Anti White Spot ever heard of this ?
Liam
I have a dip kit which doesnt do it, guess ill have to go back in the morning to get a kit for that then.
Should i treat now? The only thing my store had was Interpet Anti White Spot ever heard of this ?
Liam
if your tank only 125 litres you are severely overstocked.
You will have to seriously consider reducing your fish stock.
Once you have gotten rid of the whitespot, I would maybe think about rehoming some fish.
If you decide to keep the larger fish you will have to get a bigger tank.
When I kept fish I had an outbreak of whitespot, I used anti whitespot by interpet.
It was good, it did the job.
Do you have a spare filter you could add to the tank. To help with being overstocked.
You will have to seriously consider reducing your fish stock.
Once you have gotten rid of the whitespot, I would maybe think about rehoming some fish.
If you decide to keep the larger fish you will have to get a bigger tank.
When I kept fish I had an outbreak of whitespot, I used anti whitespot by interpet.
It was good, it did the job.
Do you have a spare filter you could add to the tank. To help with being overstocked.
My local aquatics center who sold me the tank told me the take would be good for 75 - 80 small fish which i only have 60 so now im getting confused. 
I dont have a second filter and the one I have seems to be doing the job just fine.
the take is 3.5 ft wide by 2.5 ft tall
Liam
I dont have a second filter and the one I have seems to be doing the job just fine.
the take is 3.5 ft wide by 2.5 ft tall
Liam
N0body Of The Goat
Oddball and African riverine fish keeper
I'm afraid you have been duped into "tardis tank stocking syndrome" good and proper, your 125l tank is suitable for approx. 60-80cm of adult size fish. Even without the Chinese Algae Eaters and Clown Loaches being full size (~40cm and ~30cm each respectively), that stocking would be more than I would comfortable with in my 5x2x2.
But get the fish free of Ich, then you need to have a ruthless rejigging of your tank stocking.
But get the fish free of Ich, then you need to have a ruthless rejigging of your tank stocking.
It's up to you if you listen to the lfs , but they are seriously giving you bad advice.
LFS are in business to make money.
They obviously don't care about the fish they sell.
I learnt myself on books, and forums. As I like to keep all my pets happy.
That the best advice I can offer is to learn the hobby yourself.
That way you don't have to take wrong advice form the LFS,
LFS are in business to make money.
They obviously don't care about the fish they sell.
I learnt myself on books, and forums. As I like to keep all my pets happy.
That the best advice I can offer is to learn the hobby yourself.
That way you don't have to take wrong advice form the LFS,
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