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Hi all, im new around here..

(well haven't had much activity since i joined)

And well what better way to start than to show you my newest tank (100 litres/22gal )

Sorry if some of the pictures are blury, the fish move...strangely enough :D

Pics:

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My favourite fish is in hiding so i could not get a pic of him (he hides in the ship) BTW its a leopard pleco about 6-7inches at the moment but growing nicely :D

So here are a few others instead:

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Hope you like, more to follow soon.
 
Hi! Welcome to the forum! Slightly worried about your stocking, a 6/7 inch common plec needs a much bigger tank more in the region of 6 foot surley it would be pretty much common sense that the plec needs a bigger tank?

Also the fish in most of your pics with long fins and a blueish body is a congo tetra, is this the one you are refering to as a siamese fighter? If so its not a betta its a type of tetra and needs a group however your tank is not large enough to house a group. Additionally judging by your stocking list in your signature your tetras all need to be in groups of at least 5 and so do your albino catfish....

Lovely looking tank but bad mix of fish Im afraid.
 
Hi! Welcome to the forum! Slightly worried about your stocking, a 6/7 inch common plec needs a much bigger tank more in the region of 6 foot surley it would be pretty much common sense that the plec needs a bigger tank?

Also the fish in most of your pics with long fins and a blueish body is a congo tetra, is this the one you are refering to as a siamese fighter? If so its not a betta its a type of tetra and needs a group however your tank is not large enough to house a group. Additionally judging by your stocking list in your signature your tetras all need to be in groups of at least 5 and so do your albino catfish....

Lovely looking tank but bad mix of fish Im afraid.

Hi,

Sorry the signature is old, i dont have any betta's anymore, there are currently:

2x albino catfish
4x Guppies
1x Congo Tetra
1x Black Widow Tetra
3x White Mollys (1 female)
4x Neon Tetras
1x Leopard Plec (4-5inches, may have exaggerated in the above post, i just measured him through the glass)
1x Hillstream Loach

So 17x Fish, my tanks surface area allows for 43inches of fish so at the moment im ok, i checked and i have a filter capable of over 150litres and an airline to help oxygenate the tank :lol:

But thanks for your concern

It has been like this for about 5-6months now and so far has been ok, suppose it may be luck but i take great care of the fish and maintain a good healthy water.
 
No matter how well you "take care" of the tank, you have some major stocking issues. Your plec will keep growing upto at least 12 inches and since you said leopard that makes me think its a gibbiceps which will grow to about 2 foot which Im guessing is the length of your tank. Additionally you have 6 species of fish in your tank that need to be in schools other wise they will be massively stressed.

Ive never even heard about the inch per surface area that just seems like some fish store worker telling you something to sell you more fish. A rough guide is 1 inch per gallon so in your tank you want max of 20 inches total and within that list you need to accommodate any schooling fish you choose to have in your tank.

On top of that you say you have a filter rated for 150 liters, does that mean that it does 150 liters per hour or rated for a tank of 150 liters?

The way you are keeping your fish is totally irresponsible and borderline cruel in the case of your "favorite" leopard plec. Its kind of like keeping an German Shepard in a closet.

Wills
 
No matter how well you "take care" of the tank, you have some major stocking issues. Your plec will keep growing upto at least 12 inches and since you said leopard that makes me think its a gibbiceps which will grow to about 2 foot which Im guessing is the length of your tank. Additionally you have 6 species of fish in your tank that need to be in schools other wise they will be massively stressed.

Ive never even heard about the inch per surface area that just seems like some fish store worker telling you something to sell you more fish. A rough guide is 1 inch per gallon so in your tank you want max of 20 inches total and within that list you need to accommodate any schooling fish you choose to have in your tank.

On top of that you say you have a filter rated for 150 liters, does that mean that it does 150 liters per hour or rated for a tank of 150 liters?

The way you are keeping your fish is totally irresponsible and borderline cruel in the case of your "favorite" leopard plec. Its kind of like keeping an German Shepard in a closet.

Wills

Well ive never been told by a 'shop assistant' about the inch per surface, i have found that myself by reading aquarium books i have collected over a few years, but i suppose they are wrong.

I understand that the pleco will grow much larger, but when that day comes i will sell or give it away to someone who has the tank to accomodate. (my tank is 2"6)

The filter is rated for 150litre tank its flow rate is 600l/h

The fish seem to have no problems either, i have had none die so i cant believe that they are that stressed out personally.

I think that you are slightly out of order to say that it is borderline cruel, i seriously don't understand how or why none of my fish have died or have ever been in fights so again the 'stressed' issue is something i will take into account.

Thanks
 
Sorry if it seemed that harsh, Im just being honest. I wont try and disprove a books theory of stocking guide but 40 inches of fish in a 20 gallon tank is quite a bit off, unless it was purely small fish like neons with excellent maintenance and filtration. But I would really consider stocking fish in your tank that are better suited to it than those at present and in correct numbers as well. Its really a bad idea to keep fish that are going to outgrow your tank long term especially if you have no intention of upgrading your tank size. Personally I would say that your plec is at a size where it is time for it to move on. If you like plecs there are quite a few that are suitable for your tank that stay much smaller than the max size of the one you have at present. Like the queen arabesque plec or slate blue plec.

Just a thought but this is how I would consider adapting your stocking

4x Guppies
3x White Mollys (1 female)
10x Neon Tetras
6x Albino Catfish
1x Queen Arabesque Plec or Bristlenose Plec or Bulldog Plec or Pitbull Plec

Again sorry to be so harsh its not meant personal, I just try to help people work out long working tanks with the welfare of the fish first. Not trying to start an argument or #101## you off, the guidlines I have talked about here are those created by people talking on forums like this not just this one but the whole networks of fish keepers on all sites. There are a lot of situations that are handled on their own because everyone has different levels of experience and time to maintain a tank. But things like having fish that wont outgrow your tank and giving schooling and gregarious fish the groups they require are basic acceptance tools that every good fish keeper needs to accept.

Again nothing personal and I apologize for any offense but just being honest
Wills
 
Hi! Welcome to the forum! Slightly worried about your stocking, a 6/7 inch common plec needs a much bigger tank more in the region of 6 foot surley it would be pretty much common sense that the plec needs a bigger tank?

Also the fish in most of your pics with long fins and a blueish body is a congo tetra, is this the one you are refering to as a siamese fighter? If so its not a betta its a type of tetra and needs a group however your tank is not large enough to house a group. Additionally judging by your stocking list in your signature your tetras all need to be in groups of at least 5 and so do your albino catfish....

Lovely looking tank but bad mix of fish Im afraid.

Hi,

Sorry the signature is old, i dont have any betta's anymore, there are currently:

2x albino catfish
4x Guppies
1x Congo Tetra
1x Black Widow Tetra
3x White Mollys (1 female)
4x Neon Tetras
1x Leopard Plec (4-5inches, may have exaggerated in the above post, i just measured him through the glass)
1x Hillstream Loach

So 17x Fish, my tanks surface area allows for 43inches of fish so at the moment im ok, i checked and i have a filter capable of over 150litres and an airline to help oxygenate the tank :lol:

But thanks for your concern

It has been like this for about 5-6months now and so far has been ok, suppose it may be luck but i take great care of the fish and maintain a good healthy water.

Hi there =) your tank looks good - full of cover and plants for the fish to hide in.

Just a few bits and bobs you need to know about your stocking:

2x albino catfish - should be in groups of 4-6 as a minimum
4x Guppies - fine =)
1x Congo Tetra - very large tetra that needs at least 5 other congos and should really be in a larger tank
1x Black Widow Tetra - good size for the tank but needs at least 5 buddies
3x White Mollys (1 female) - if you have 1 female and 2 males you are putting her at a lot of risk from the males' attentions. We recommend 2-3 females per male to help spread out the attention.
4x Neon Tetras - another shoaling fish that needs a couple of buddies
1x Leopard Plec (4-5inches, may have exaggerated in the above post, i just measured him through the glass) - will reach 18-24 inches and needs a 6 foot tank. Once he hits 6-7 inches he needs a new tank. There are quite a few smaller plecs that would be perfect for your tank =)
1x Hillstream Loach - this is a coldwater fish that needs very high oxygen levels.

It is quite correct that a higher surface area is better for the fish, but I would be rather worried if you planned to stock anymore as you already have 43 inches of fish if we take into account the average adult size of all of your fish (except for your plec, I only factored in 7 inches for him as he needs a new home whatever happens). 43 inches is double the inch-per-gallon rule that we use for normal community tanks. The surface area rule is good for working out if your tank has enough oxygen getting into the water but doesn't tell you anything about the space the fish need for swimming and to establish terriatories. A much more realistic guide is 1-1.5 inches per gallon. Good filtration doesn't let you have too many fish, it just makes a fully stocked tank safer and easier to care for.

Ideally you'd be looking at 25-30 inches of fish as a sensible maximum. Overstocking a tank, keeping fish that don't have enough space and not keeping fish in the right sized shoals/groups leads to stress on the fish (which may or may not manifest itself in behaviour) and stress compromises their ability to fight off diseases. Some people will use the fact that they don't get sick or dead fish as an example of how their tank is probably OK but I would simply say that we don't wait for a horse to get sick or die before we get it a bigger field, and we don't wait for a dog to bite someone before we decide to train it. Good fishkeeping is about providing a suitable longterm home for your fish and taking into account things like the need for family groups or extra swimming space or heavy duty filtration - basically adapting your tank for the occupants rather than requiring the occupants to adapt to what you want.

Obviously I'm not saying you do this - just explaining some of the reasons why it is wise to think about changing your stock around a bit.

TFF is a great place with loads of knowledge. We're not always the most fun place for new fishkeepers or people who do things in a very different way to us, but we're worth sticking with because we have a lot of exceptionally experienced members who are seriously handy to have around in a crisis, and we can always teach someone new something new, however experienced they are. I'm learning all the time!
 
Hi! Welcome to the forum! Slightly worried about your stocking, a 6/7 inch common plec needs a much bigger tank more in the region of 6 foot surley it would be pretty much common sense that the plec needs a bigger tank?

Also the fish in most of your pics with long fins and a blueish body is a congo tetra, is this the one you are refering to as a siamese fighter? If so its not a betta its a type of tetra and needs a group however your tank is not large enough to house a group. Additionally judging by your stocking list in your signature your tetras all need to be in groups of at least 5 and so do your albino catfish....

Lovely looking tank but bad mix of fish Im afraid.

Hi,

Sorry the signature is old, i dont have any betta's anymore, there are currently:

2x albino catfish
4x Guppies
1x Congo Tetra
1x Black Widow Tetra
3x White Mollys (1 female)
4x Neon Tetras
1x Leopard Plec (4-5inches, may have exaggerated in the above post, i just measured him through the glass)
1x Hillstream Loach

So 17x Fish, my tanks surface area allows for 43inches of fish so at the moment im ok, i checked and i have a filter capable of over 150litres and an airline to help oxygenate the tank :lol:

But thanks for your concern

It has been like this for about 5-6months now and so far has been ok, suppose it may be luck but i take great care of the fish and maintain a good healthy water.

Hi there =) your tank looks good - full of cover and plants for the fish to hide in.

Just a few bits and bobs you need to know about your stocking:

2x albino catfish - should be in groups of 4-6 as a minimum
4x Guppies - fine =)
1x Congo Tetra - very large tetra that needs at least 5 other congos and should really be in a larger tank
1x Black Widow Tetra - good size for the tank but needs at least 5 buddies
3x White Mollys (1 female) - if you have 1 female and 2 males you are putting her at a lot of risk from the males' attentions. We recommend 2-3 females per male to help spread out the attention.
4x Neon Tetras - another shoaling fish that needs a couple of buddies
1x Leopard Plec (4-5inches, may have exaggerated in the above post, i just measured him through the glass) - will reach 18-24 inches and needs a 6 foot tank. Once he hits 6-7 inches he needs a new tank. There are quite a few smaller plecs that would be perfect for your tank =)
1x Hillstream Loach - this is a coldwater fish that needs very high oxygen levels.

It is quite correct that a higher surface area is better for the fish, but I would be rather worried if you planned to stock anymore as you already have 43 inches of fish if we take into account the average adult size of all of your fish (except for your plec, I only factored in 7 inches for him as he needs a new home whatever happens). 43 inches is double the inch-per-gallon rule that we use for normal community tanks. The surface area rule is good for working out if your tank has enough oxygen getting into the water but doesn't tell you anything about the space the fish need for swimming and to establish terriatories. A much more realistic guide is 1-1.5 inches per gallon. Good filtration doesn't let you have too many fish, it just makes a fully stocked tank safer and easier to care for.

Ideally you'd be looking at 25-30 inches of fish as a sensible maximum. Overstocking a tank, keeping fish that don't have enough space and not keeping fish in the right sized shoals/groups leads to stress on the fish (which may or may not manifest itself in behaviour) and stress compromises their ability to fight off diseases. Some people will use the fact that they don't get sick or dead fish as an example of how their tank is probably OK but I would simply say that we don't wait for a horse to get sick or die before we get it a bigger field, and we don't wait for a dog to bite someone before we decide to train it. Good fishkeeping is about providing a suitable longterm home for your fish and taking into account things like the need for family groups or extra swimming space or heavy duty filtration - basically adapting your tank for the occupants rather than requiring the occupants to adapt to what you want.

Obviously I'm not saying you do this - just explaining some of the reasons why it is wise to think about changing your stock around a bit.

TFF is a great place with loads of knowledge. We're not always the most fun place for new fishkeepers or people who do things in a very different way to us, but we're worth sticking with because we have a lot of exceptionally experienced members who are seriously handy to have around in a crisis, and we can always teach someone new something new, however experienced they are. I'm learning all the time!

Hi all,

I understand your well being and im sorry if i got a bit aggressive.

I have just checked my Pleco size, it is currently at 4inches (7 may be over the top)
I have just got 3x Neon tetras
And i plan to get 1-2x Congo tetras, and 1x Albino.

Does this sound ok?

Thanks
 
I think congo tetras are a bit too big for your tank, they get to about 3 and a half inches and they are pretty active so would need a bigger tank. Just trying to think of something similar but smaller and just remembered something Emporer Tetras about half the size not as chunky but there are a few species available in the hobby and the colours range from a kind of royal blue through to deep purple but like I say they stay much smaller and better suited to your tank. With fish keeping there are nearly always smaller alternatives to the more common bigger fish. It happens all the time but most LFS will carry these smaller fish as well but they just get over looked because of their small size in shops and sometimes their colours are faded due to stress of movement around their tank.

Have you thought about getting a bigger tank? I mean its obvious you like bigger fish for your tank so just thinking if you could consider upgrading it would be a better home for your plec and things like your congo tetras would look fantastic in there, you could even start to mix fish that they encounter in the wild like synodontis catfish, kribensis and barbs like black ruby?

Wills
 

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