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yes i know having to many fish needs to be address and yes i know common pleco's cus my brothers that he got for his turtle tank is about to out grow his tank so im aware they grow really fast i just got to get rid of all the algae in my tank cus i had to out put to it under a window which is one of the reasons it got out of control in my tank and where i live and where i got my cory cat it wasnt expensive plecos are more expensive than cory cats where i get mine at and
i havent had any problems with my fish other than when i lost my original five fish last week but that was only because i didnt let the water sit for a couple days, sorry if i sound rude but ik i made a little mistake we all do once in a while i grew up on fish and my dad knows a whole lot bout fish if my fish were that bad he would tell me to get rid of my fish and im getting a 30g for christmas so in a couple weeks there moving up from a 15 to a 30
you'll find that everyone you ask and every website you look on, it's going to recommend groups of at least 6. Regardless of what your dad tells you. The fish will be less skittish, more comfortable, less shy, more confident, less prone to disease, and more colorful in larger groups. The amount of fish you have is not the issue, it's the amount of species you have. The fish are going to be alright together, yes, (except the tiger barbs, make sure you remember my warning when they grow to size and start forcing all your fish into the corners of the tank) but they're not going to be happy with it. You can keep any schooling fish in a single or pair, but they're not going to like it.

I'm not going to bother anymore, though. It seems like you just want to dodge the bullet. Good luck.
 
yes i know having to many fish needs to be address and yes i know common pleco's cus my brothers that he got for his turtle tank is about to out grow his tank so im aware they grow really fast i just got to get rid of all the algae in my tank cus i had to out put to it under a window which is one of the reasons it got out of control in my tank and where i live and where i got my cory cat it wasnt expensive plecos are more expensive than cory cats where i get mine at and
i havent had any problems with my fish other than when i lost my original five fish last week but that was only because i didnt let the water sit for a couple days, sorry if i sound rude but ik i made a little mistake we all do once in a while i grew up on fish and my dad knows a whole lot bout fish if my fish were that bad he would tell me to get rid of my fish and im getting a 30g for christmas so in a couple weeks there moving up from a 15 to a 30

I hope that you will receive this in the manner in which it is intended and not be angry about it, but some things really need to be said.

Please use punctuation and capitalization. This post is nearly impossible to read.



And while your dad may very well know a whole lot about fish, the collective experience of this forum would know vastly more. This is not to belittle your dad, but he is just one person with just one perspective. This forum has fishkeepers from all over the world, with a wide array of backgrounds and experience. And if everyone says one thing, but dad says another maybe there are a few things dad could learn too. :D


I'm glad to hear that you're getting a new, bigger tank. But that alone won't cure all the issues that are actually going on with this stocking list. First, you should never buy an unsuitable fish for your tank, regardless of how bad the algae is. You could have gotten an oto (or more correctly a shoal of 3-6) for the algae instead of the one pleco that will outgrow your tank. Second, you have a bunch of shoaling fish in pairs. That's just not good for them. More than likely they are all stressed about being separated from the shoal. If you bumped up all the shoals to the proper level of 6 plus, you'd once again be vastly overstocked in BOTH tanks.


Next, tiger barbs are notoriously mean little buggers who nip the fins of other fish in their shoal and outside it as well, especially when not kept in proper numbers. Perhaps you are lucky to have found a couple of the more laid back members of the shoal. But, if you were to add others to the tank to get proper stocking levels, you'd be introducing some little terrors. Serpae tetras are also a notoriously nippy bunch as well, as are black skirts if not kept in proper numbers. More than likely they are not nipping much right now because of the cramped quarters in a 15 gallon tank. :crazy: Zebra danios are extremely active swimmers who need long stretches of tank space to swim. I am going to make a recommendation on what I would do with your stocking list, and you can heed the advice or ignore it. Ultimately, you have the final decision, but I think it would be worth considering.



2 tiger barbs -return these, because they will become a nightmare sooner or later with these other fish
2 zebra danios - return these as they don't have the room to swim that they need
2 serpae - return these as they too can be a problem with much more peaceful fish
2 black skirt tetra's get at least 4 more of these fish, preferably more to keep them from being nippy.
2 red eye get 4 more of these to ensure that they have security in numbers that they need
2 glow tetras get at least 4 more of these as well
3 white clouds personally, I'd return these as they are widely considered subtropical, living in cooler mountain streams, and are highly active swimmers, as well.
1 cory cat these need to be in groups, not alone. try to get 5 more of the same species.
1 pleco return immediately. This fish is being harmed by not being kept in the proper size tank, even though right now it may seem "fine".
4 neon tertas you'll need at least 2 more of these little guys for them to feel at all secure, although more would be better for them.


In the 15 Gallon tank:
6+ neon tetras
Consider adding another larger fish that will be safe around the neons, like a honey gourami or two, a single dwarf gourami, or a betta.

In the 30 Gallon tank:
6+ black skirt tetra
6+ red eye tetra
6+ glowlight tetra
6+ corycats

With this stocking, the 30 gallon would be a bit overstocked, so you'd need to do frequent and large water changes. But to be quite honest, I'd probably drop another of the shoals from the 30 gallon. It's just too many fish occupying the same swimming level. The red eyes would probably be the group I would look to remove, since they are the biggest of these fish.
 
Ya I've been doing some thinking that I'm gonna remove a few fish when I move to a 29 and my danios are gonna be the first to go cus even with five I first started out with they were really aggressive and my red eye tetras and see what happens and slowly start doing adjustments after sitting In front of my tank for a few hours and Im not happy with the fish but I haven't to begin with but Im open to ideas and tried it out as a test run
 
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my little tiger barb thelma (i think) :) ive had her and her tank mate donnie for 3 months now and i think their going to have eggs soon the way their acting,
Just to add a little something to eaglesaquarium's (excellent) advice, that's a male tiger barb.
 
i hate it when people who no loads about fish pick on newbies just for the sake of the own ego but eaglesaquarium really isnt trying to that he's just offereing u sound adcive that you really should take because the way your keeping those fish really isnt fair. . . . . . even though we have all done
 
i hate it when people who no loads about fish pick on newbies just for the sake of the own ego but eaglesaquarium really isnt trying to that he's just offereing u sound adcive that you really should take because the way your keeping those fish really isnt fair. . . . . . even though we have all done


O ya I know I don't get offended easily (was just a bad. Night that night)
And that's why I'm pushing for a bigger tank and I'm going to change the sitiuation with my fish cus I've been thinking bout it and what I can I do and I'm getting rid of a few fish....it's a mistake I think every one makes when the get their first tank And it's my first rank with out my parents help
 
i hate it when people who no loads about fish pick on newbies just for the sake of the own ego but eaglesaquarium really isnt trying to that he's just offereing u sound adcive that you really should take because the way your keeping those fish really isnt fair. . . . . . even though we have all done
I've never seen anyone pick on newbies 'for the sake of their own ego'

This isn't a video game we're talking about. I'm not going around saying "AHAHA, YOU STILL PLAY WITH X!? Y IS SO MUCH BETTER, WAIT TILL YOU UNLOCK Y! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU HAVEN'T UNLOCKED Y YET! I GOT Y LIKE 3 MONTHS AGO!" that's feeding an ego.

Alternatively, I haven't seen anyone go to people with less than preferential tanks, like bio orbs or 5 or 10 gallon standard or hexagons or column style aquarium saying "OH MAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF JUNK, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT, ALL THAT WATER VOLUME IS TOTALL WORTHLESS, LEARN TO RESEARCH NEXT TIME, EVEN I STARTED OUT WITH A 20 GALLON TANK." That's feeding an ego.

Saying "I really need to point this out, there is way too many stuff wrong with your stocking list that you should sort out before you go ahead and spend money on live plants and sand instead, and this is why" is not feeding an ego.

These are living we're talking about. We're here to help the fish out, to help the fish get the life that they will not only prefer, but can live well in. This means getting schooling fish in schools, getting fish compatible with the water conditions and the other tank mates with as little fighting as possible. All of these things will make the fish more comfortable, because they're not made of plastic. They're not decorations. They're living things.

Now, when people do give advice, and the newbie disregards that advice and says the fish are fine, that causes a bit of negative response, we were trying to help out and got shoved aside because said newbie doesn't wanna hear it and wants to keep x fish alone or y fish in a pair or z fish in a tiny aquarium even though it gets xx inches long. That peeves a lot of us people who "know loads about fish" off, we spent a lot of time trying to help said person out and they just don't wanna hear it. I'm sure you'd do the same.

Ultimately, OP, I'm glad you're going to sort things out with the tank. I hope it'll all work out well. Good luck with the new tank, and the transfer to sand and live plants, the cories will love you for it.
 
i think if you took the time to read my comment you will realise that none of what i said was aimed at you or any one else who replied to the original thread. in my experiance alot of people end up giving good or bad advice just for their own ego's sakeeven people who work at the fish shops. no offence but just because you tell me thats not the case doesnt acually mean any thing to me because as open mined as i am that is wrong advice. i wrote that comment to only to help hb out and i think it was a fair comment that i stick by. i also dont need you to tell me why im on this site in the first place, i no it isnt a computer game, u just wasted your breath. . . no offence
 
onidrase iv just read my comment again and i can see that it does look like im saying people in here are picking on hb for there own egos and i didnt mean it like that. i just thought that maybe hb felt abit like i have felt before on other sites and just wanted to make her see that no one was beeing out of order to her, they were just giving advice she needed to hear. i think my initial wording wasnt best. i still stick by what i said though and if you dont agree with that then feel free to personally comment me
 

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