Has Anyone Seen This Guppy Tail Shape Before?

[StatMan]

This stems froom a discussion with HelterSkelter at the BLA show in corby last weekend, I promised to try and get some photo's up to better describe what I was trying to get across verbally when we were discussing the judging in the show.

Would be interested to hear from breeders if this is a trait that they would try and develop? Looking for our first project.

Any advice as to how you breed back into lines would be appreciated, we have several isolated females from the same batch and also 3 similar guppies to the mother in isolation.

Would really appreciate any guidance or links to good articles on how to progress breeding for a particular "feature".

If you think that this is a fish worth progresing then what would you be looking to add to it and how would you select the breeding partner?

Here are the best photo's I could get on our camera I hope they are enough to get an idea:

StatMan

 

[swordtailsrock]

I would try and create a new strain with those fins, call them maybe heart tail guppies or something

if you are going to do this, take a male and a female that show this gene the most (preferably siblings) and breed them
you might end up with some deformed fry, so throw those some where and keep the good looking ones. then take another male and female from that batch of fry and repeat. if you are going to do this please keep me posted and pm me about the strains.

 

[fish48]

hi statman
The Half Black Trio.h21 & h23 are from the same tank I don’t line breed them or out cross them. I just flock breed them which is known as inbreeding this is how guppys are breed to get ther colour and fin shapes. to be able to do this you must start of with good fish.
about a.year ago a friend gave me a pair of them the female has a very long anal fin & dorsal fin he askd me to breed them to see if I could get more long fin fish . Most turn out half or ¾ black they very in fin shape I did get a few with a nice red pattern in there tales the females of this strin can get very big. . hire is a pic of the long fine female and one of its young that i would like to fix the tale shape.


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[StatMan]

I would try and create a new strain with those fins, call them maybe heart tail guppies or something

if you are going to do this, take a male and a female that show this gene the most (preferably siblings) and breed them
you might end up with some deformed fry, so throw those some where and keep the good looking ones. then take another male and female from that batch of fry and repeat. if you are going to do this please keep me posted and pm me about the strains.

I guess the problem here is that there are no signs of this in the females, but I would not expect it either as tails tend to be a male prominence only.

Options I have would be to breed against all the siblings with this fish, or back to the mother (greater risk of deformities?).

Fish48, thanks for the info on the lots I thought there probably wasn't a reason to the groupings but thought I would check.

If I were looking to start out progressing the guy in the picture would I select the best of his sisters and put them in a tank and then follow allow the lines to develop using the method you describe? How many females to start with?

General question does anyone think this is a trait to actually try and progress?

Anyone else with any input, all help welcomed!

StatMan

 

[helterskelter]

As the trite is uniform then crossing bake with sisters should be fine.

When developing a line it's recommended you have 10-12 tanks, this is to have a female to a single tank so u can see what they produce and then tou can select the best male to go back the the female producing the best fry.

As for the line it's interesting to see what develops. However the tail type it would not be recognised in any fish show. it could be seen as a lyretail but would be down pointed as the tail shape is not correct.
Still it's a nice colour and looks to be based around a snake skin.

Good luck with them

 

[OldMan47]

If you like the look of the tail, or think it is worth pursuing, then go for it. I think that almost all new developments in tail shape or color have come from someone who decided that they really liked something that they saw in their own fish and decided to develop it. As HelterSkelter said, it takes a lot of tanks to separate the females and males properly to breed a particular trait into one that can be produced easily. That is what would be needed to bring a trait to market, as it were. If you like it, go for it. Who would have ever thought that a misshapen molly with a ridiculously large belly and a broken looking back would ever be popular but take a look at "balloon mollies".

 

[helterskelter]

Who would have ever thought that a misshapen molly with a ridiculously large belly and a broken looking back would ever be popular but take a look at "balloon mollies".

LOL spot on.

 

[swordtailsrock]

I dislike balloon mollies, ugly deformed mollies like that are usually very weak and fragile, then enthusiastic breeders try to breed these with others and weaken the species slowly, by adding inbred fish over and over they are ruining the molly line.

but that's just my opinion

I also dislike really fancy guppies that have tails so long and are so weak they can get picked on by danios. DANIOS, like the smallest aquarium fish available, it's horrible.

 

[OldMan47]

I feel much the same way Swordtails but reality is that if something sells, it will be produced. The balloon mollies are one of my pet peaves but look around this very section of TFF. There are a lot of folks here that like them and I do not control other people's likes and dislikes. If a tails shape appeals to someone, there is no telling who else it might appeal to. If the person can develop it, there is the chance it could be the next craze so why not try it.

 

[StatMan]

Have to agree with the Baloon Mollies, like mollies will always look away from the balloon ones, they just look wrong to me.

Getting back to the guppies, I agree that anything that is on the extreme side is too far do like some of the large (not huge fantails). Like the idea of this guy just because he fits a "standard" shape and as far as I can see it is different, we are not looking to produce show fish (yet) anyway, nor are we looking for something to turn in to the retail trade, but as a clearly defined trait it would be interesting to see if we could reproduce it.

I am still unclear of the approach we should take, selective segregated, or all in one?

We are really novices here, but keen to learn.

StatMan

 

[helterskelter]

Coz they all look so uniform you can breed the best male with his sisters, if the sisters all look similar, if you get a female loooking different then she could produce anything, these are the rejects.

I believe once you have a line breeding true (over 80% the same) for 3-5 generation then u can give it an official name.