Guppy+guppy=endler?

[mattbond]

i dont know much about livebearers, but could it just be that the guppies have been interbred so much over the years that they have reverted back to wild colouring? like carp do if left to thier own devices?

 

[nosoup4you]

i dont know much about livebearers, but could it just be that the guppies have been interbred so much over the years that they have reverted back to wild colouring? like carp do if left to thier own devices?

This is the conclusion I arrived at after viewing the pic...

 

[OldMan47]

I missed the pictures NoSoup4You. Where are they? I am very interested in this topic although I do keep "pure" endlers.

 

[nosoup4you]

Sorry so huge...

 

[OldMan47]

That is a nice looking guppy. Not very endler looking though.

 

[5teady_2012]

Would you class this has wild guppies ??

Would you class this has a pure strain guppy?

 

[OldMan47]

Your first guppies do not look like wilds to me, they look like some ferals end up looking but not really like wilds. The "pure strain" is a strange thing to call an obviously developed guppy. You may know if it is breeding true but I don't know any way that someone not breeding them actively can tell if it will breed true. I assume you are going to spring that on whoever is foolish enough to venture a guess.

 

[helterskelter]

Your first guppies do not look like wilds to me, they look like some ferals end up looking but not really like wilds. The "pure strain" is a strange thing to call an obviously developed guppy. You may know if it is breeding true but I don't know any way that someone not breeding them actively can tell if it will breed true. I assume you are going to spring that on whoever is foolish enough to venture a guess.

I agree, the first one is a reject cultivated or feral fish not a wild line that i have seen anyway.

The other dose look endler but look's to have a sword, once their is a breeding group you can look at the other males to see what other genetics are showing, ie long dorsal's, swords, varied colouration, very large females.
All if then are signs of a cross.

 

[5teady_2012]

Your first guppies do not look like wilds to me, they look like some ferals end up looking but not really like wilds. The "pure strain" is a strange thing to call an obviously developed guppy. You may know if it is breeding true but I don't know any way that someone not breeding them actively can tell if it will breed true. I assume you are going to spring that on whoever is foolish enough to venture a guess.

No not at all, im not going to spring anything on anyone, i have my opinions on whats pure and whats not, but that could be diffrent to others opinions, i would actually like to know myself what is a true wild guppy, and a true endler cos i dont know either.

I found them pics on net and was wondering if they actually was lol (they was a genuine question haha)

 

[helterskelter]

This is a Japanese blue guppy i been breeding for a few years now.
Their a feral guppy the was released in to a river in Japan for mosquito control at a guess. No one know of these fish and the was collected in the late 90's and every fish in the river had developed this blue colour and they breed as good as 100% true.

 

[OldMan47]

I'm afraid the only way to tell if a fish will breed true is to try it. There are some very nice line bred fish that would look like your sample but the same appearance can come from the first cross that created the look. If you want to continue a line breed, you need a breeder to supply you that you can trust.

 

[fishyfeet]

there is a lot of it about, i brought years ago a load of fry from someone on a site, claimed to be true endlers, i sold many of these fish (as i didnt have guppies) so i claimed them to be true endlers, until someone informed me the fish i sold them were in fact crossed with guppies, the were black bar endlers, and all looked the same, but the long dorsal finn was a give away apparently, di

 

[susankat]

The long dorsal fin doesn't mean it isn't an endler. It can be one indication though. The coloring on the dorsal fin is a dead give away.True endlers usually have a clear dorsal or just one color. Not usually multicolored. That is basically a guppy trait. Also the pedicule is thicker than that of endlers.

 

[helterskelter]

This is a black bar from Aderian HD and these have multiple colour dorsal's and so do several other form's of endlers.

Yes the dorsal's are usually clear but yes they are coloured too. Yet they are not elongated in true endlers.