Gold Zebra Danio Inside Fluval Filter 1

[CheniseMummy]

Hi Ive been missing one of my danio's it gold long finned one. I have 20litre tank with fluval 1 filter. I noticed it gone today at lunch time. i coulnt find him a couple hour later so i removed everything from the tank and found him inside the filter. one of the suction cups had come off so i think thats how he got in.

I put him back into tank. what can i do to help him get over stress or injury.

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Tank size: 20LITRE
pH: do not test
ammonia: do not test
nitrite: do not test
nitrate: do not test
kH:
gH:
tank temp: Cold water aquarium so house temp currently around 20c

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior): crashed and hidding, swimming funny

Volume and Frequency of water changes: 4litres once week

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: stressless water conditioner

Tank inhabitants: 4 gold long fined zebra

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration): 4 zebra danio 1 week ago. My last danios dies of internal bacteria

Exposure to chemicals:

 

[VaegaVic]

Lights off and a dose of stress coat.
Make sure the tank isn't touched the rest of the day.

 

[CheniseMummy]

Right i have given a dose of the stress less it said double douse for stress and injury. I dont have any lights. Should i black out sides or anything? should i turn filter off.

Ive noticed it swimming now but its tail end keeps falling down like it cant keep proper balance. Has it been damaged and will he die is it better to kill it or can it get better.

 

[VaegaVic]

Filter has to be on 24/7, unless doing maintenance.
Best thing to do now is to wait and watch, if after a few days, he still hasn't shown any signs of recovery, it might be better to euthanise, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[CheniseMummy]

She i think its a female as round belly and not as more silvery than gold compared to the males. She looks better and is swiming better joining in with others now.

He tail is damaged and is missing quite a bit of the long part no fungus or other strange growths. Ive done a 10% water change today. She also has gone a strange blue/ green ish silver colour to her end part of body. One other danio looks the same its also a female. Is this normal.

What can i do to help the tail heal.

Thanks for the great advise im hoping she will survive.

 

[VaegaVic]

You could add a chemical called Melafix, which is designed for this exact situation.
It is rather pricey though, but always a good idea to have on hand just in case.

Keep up with the water changes, feed some lovely foods like frozen bloodworm to help her gain her strength back and go from there.

 

[CheniseMummy]

Should i use the melafix or not? She is in a tank with her other danios is it safe to treat them all. I'm currently setting up my new tank and was going to transfer the filter from this tank into the new one after couple weeks so that ive already got good bacterial filtration. Will this damage the bacteria and how long should i wait before moving them to there new home. Im going to cycle it first.

Im going to get some freexe dried bloodworms today and do another water change.

Should add im going to use two smaller filtration 1 fluval 1 and another intenral aquaruim 400lph up to 100l is this good idea for new tank. i was going to float the new sponge in the small tank to colonise. Is this ok with the added meds.

 

[VaegaVic]

Should i use the melafix or not? She is in a tank with her other danios is it safe to treat them all.
Perfectly fine.

I'm currently setting up my new tank and was going to transfer the filter from this tank into the new one after couple weeks so that ive already got good bacterial filtration. Will this damage the bacteria and how long should i wait before moving them to there new home. Im going to cycle it first.

Ok, if you're moving the filter across and all the tank inhabitants, assuming this tank is cycled already, there should be no problem at all. Just plop the filter in, go back to get the danios and job done.
However, if you're moving this filter across and not the inhabitants, you will need to make sure you have some way of keeping the current tank cycled as all the bacteria will be living in the filter, effectively leaving the tank with the danios in it, uncycled and dangerous.

Im going to get some freexe dried bloodworms today and do another water change.
Lovely!

Should add im going to use two smaller filtration 1 fluval 1 and another intenral aquaruim 400lph up to 100l is this good idea for new tank.
i was going to float the new sponge in the small tank to colonise.


If you've already bought the 400lph filter than thats ok, if not, I would say go an buy something more powerful, ideally, 500-700, as danios love strong current.
Then just pop your fluval sponges into the new filter, squeeze them in anywhere you can, and hey presto, one powerful fully cycled super-filter.
I've always found having one filter better than 2, as long as the 1 is more powerful, reason being is there's less maintenance and less bother.

Is this ok with the added meds.
If it's only melafix, not a problem at all.

 

[CheniseMummy]

Yes ive already brought it as i was going to donate it to my childs nursery as they have a 30l tank, 2 goldfish and 1 bubble wand. I know ive told them plenty of times they need filter etc. They did have 5 gold fish in this tank but they died within week.

So i could buy another it only cost me £6.

Yes im moving fish and filter at same time.

 

[CheniseMummy]

Only other thing ive added is an internal bacteria med about 2 weeks ago. As my priviouse stock of danios died off gradually of this and i was too late in diagnois and treatment to save the last one.

 

[VaegaVic]

Yes ive already brought it as i was going to donate it to my childs nursery as they have a 30l tank, 2 goldfish and 1 bubble wand. I know ive told them plenty of times they need filter etc. They did have 5 gold fish in this tank but they died within week.


Well this is a separate matter altogether as goldfish, regardless of type, grow massive. Commons can and should reach around 30-40cm long and fancy's should be between 10-20cm. They can reach these sizes in just under 2 years if properly conditioned. Obviously they will need a bigger tank (70L per a fish) and ideally a pond. In regards to filtration, they need a beast of a filter considering how much mess they pump out is truly extraordinary.

Quite frankly, people who buy animals without knowing their needs should be punished, ideally by shooting, but some say I'm a bit extreme in that department.

So i could buy another it only cost me £6.

Yes im moving fish and filter at same time.

Ok, now you've confused me.
Is the second tank a tank for you or a tank for the nursery? Are the danios going in with the goldfish? Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick here?

 

[CheniseMummy]

Sorry i was waffling,

I oringinaly brought the second filter to donate to nursery for there goldfish.

I have 4 danios in 20litre tank at home, I won on ebay by chance a 90litre light glo tank and stand. Ive cleaned it up this is my new tank. I was going to run both new filter in my new tank with my old one in view to give the nursery a cycled filter to use. Because you said id probably be better off with a larger one i was going to give new filter to them instead and just buy another bigger one and put in my filter meida as suggested.

Im going to transfer my danios and there existing fluval 1 filter to new 90l tank.

I have just done some testing off water. with nuterfinix master test kit. its my first ever go as ive just brought it to check on water levels in new tank.

Tank which houses danios est 6months

Ammonia = 0
Nitrate = 5 on colour chart
Nitrite = 0

House water

Nitrate = 5 on colour chart but lighter colour than test before.

So ive done another water change of 3.5litres and clean the filter in tank water in jug.

 

[VaegaVic]

Sorry i was waffling,

I oringinaly brought the second filter to donate to nursery for there goldfish.

I have 4 danios in 20litre tank at home, I won on ebay by chance a 90litre light glo tank and stand. Ive cleaned it up this is my new tank. I was going to run both new filter in my new tank with my old one in view to give the nursery a cycled filter to use. Because you said id probably be better off with a larger one i was going to give new filter to them instead and just buy another bigger one and put in my filter meida as suggested.

Im going to transfer my danios and there existing fluval 1 filter to new 90l tank.

I have just done some testing off water. with nuterfinix master test kit. its my first ever go as ive just brought it to check on water levels in new tank.

Tank which houses danios est 6months

Ammonia = 0
Nitrate = 5 on colour chart
Nitrite = 0

House water

Nitrate = 5 on colour chart but lighter colour than test before.

So ive done another water change of 3.5litres and clean the filter in tank water in jug.

RIGHT!
Ok thanks for clearing that up.

Yea, from what I read you seem to be doing it spot on.
Basically,
Old filter in new tank = yes!
Giving filter to goldfish = yes!
Water specs = Perfect for your water area, you'll never get NitrAte lower than 5.

In regards to giving the goldfish a cycled filter, I personally think it's more important they have at least some sort of filter and then let it cycle in the tank. If you can possibly cut your fluval 1 sponge into 3 pieces and give them one piece in the filter, it will dramatically boost things along. Just make sure the piece you give them is clean and not dirty.

 

[CheniseMummy]

Right ive added Melafix yesterday 1.5ml and 1.5nl today. Ive also fed them some freeze dried blood worms not really intrested at all.
All four are swimming around close to the gravel they look like there eating bit of the floor. They were acting very odd yesterday the females where doing a funny sort of swim back and forth on the gravel closly chased by the males are they spawning. the temp has got up to around 77 house temp and they also got some direct sunlight on there tank at certain times mainly in evening when sun is going down. i had to shift them over due to new tank getting installed in their place.

So have they laid eggs and are they eating them. Are they ok or stressed. Ive also added some new filter media to float in the water so it coloninses with bacteria as the old media needs replacing. How long will this take to colonise.

Thanks for your help. Im also keeping them in the smaller tank untill treatment over as its easier to medicate them and saves using lots of the melafix. Stephanie

 

[VaegaVic]

Right ive added Melafix yesterday 1.5ml and 1.5nl today. Ive also fed them some freeze dried blood worms not really intrested at all.
The more they get used to them, the more they will like them, don't give them a whole cube at once as that would be way too much for four little danios.

All four are swimming around close to the gravel they look like there eating bit of the floor. They were acting very odd yesterday the females where doing a funny sort of swim back and forth on the gravel closly chased by the males are they spawning. the temp has got up to around 77 house temp and they also got some direct sunlight on there tank at certain times mainly in evening when sun is going down. i had to shift them over due to new tank getting installed in their place.
Could very well be spawning.

So have they laid eggs and are they eating them. Are they ok or stressed.
Perfectly fine as they are egg eaters anyway, probably explains the lack of interest in the bloodworms lol.

Ive also added some new filter media to float in the water so it coloninses with bacteria as the old media needs replacing. How long will this take to colonise.
If you've added new filter media to float in the tank with the old filter, there's no garentee it actually will be colonised 100%, there may be drips and drabs, but its best to put it actually in the filter to colonise. If any colonisation does occur, it will take at least 4 weeks.

Thanks for your help. Im also keeping them in the smaller tank untill treatment over as its easier to medicate them and saves using lots of the melafix. Stephanie