Future tank - help me ponder and plan?

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When we get additional plumbing in the basement, I will be getting another tank. Since it is a basement (concrete floor) size isn't really an issue. Upfront cost of course, will be a factor, but I am imagining anything from 75 gallons to over 200 gallons, depending on what fish I end up wanting. One large tank with several species is an option, as is two or more smaller tanks with only one or two species.

My tap water is soft, so I need fish that can be happy with what I have. I also have a heavy preference for low-maintenance planted tanks, as that's already what I have and what I'm used to.

Fish that I have considered are:

Clown loaches: These are SO cute and I fell in love with NickAu's video of his clown loaches. I know they need lots of space though, so if I go with these guys, it would be in a large, community tank. Is there anything I should know that isn't always discussed on most websites? Any fish that make particularly good or bad roomates with clown loaches?

Discus: These are beautiful fish and I have very soft water (which I've read they like). If I got these, it would probably be as a two 75 gallon or so option. I believe these do best in a species-only tank. If I am wrong, please correct me. I understand they have very particular requirements and are very sensitive to change in water quality, temperature, etc. Cost is a consideration with keeping this type of fish. In my area, I have recently seen discus on sale for between $30 - $120 (to compare, most "regular" fish are between $2 - 8 in my area). Even at $30 each, that is not cheap. Especially when you consider that they should be in larger groups (ka-ching). Also, I rarely see more than 4 in any given store at one time, so I couldn't get a whole group together. My concern with this is that because they are (from what I've read) so difficult to transfer, a quarantine time in a separate tank seems unwise because that is just adding yet another transfer. But, if you don't quarantine, then how do you know you aren't introducing 3 new sick fish into your already healthy 4 fish? Again, even at $30, that is a lot of money to lose on top of the already sad fact of losing the poor little fish? So, if anyone has any advice here, I would love to hear it. Another thing I thought about with discus is that in the stores they look extremely shy. I already have an extremely beautiful but shy fish species that I barely get to see because it hides when it sees people. I would hate to get a tank full of hiders.

Angelfish: Another species-only tank option due to their aggression.

Oscars: Although I adore their grumpy faces, this one is probably just going to stay in the "pondering" category because of their proclivity towards eating plants. If I did get one, I understand it would need a very large tank (+100 gallons) and are better as single fish. Although I did read that a group of silver dollars can be kept with them, which makes this a more appealing option to me. I would be interested in hearing if anyone has tried this combination.

Diamond tetras: I have read that when properly housed, these fish are quite lovely. I saw some in a store though and they were very aggressive towards each other, so I'm not sure about how these will actually do. Would they need to be in a species-only tank? If they can mix with others, what type of fish would be a good match?

I've also thought about putting a ton of little tiny fish (like neons, cardinals, microdevario kubotai, etc.) in a great big, heavily planted tank. Microdevario kubotai are scare though (and pricey when they do show up), so probably not them.

What would you do? What kind of fish, what kind of tank? What fish should I consider? Options are wide open and opinions are greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! :)
 
Is it naturally soft water or from a water softener ? whats the PH, Alk, etc.

Next most of the fish you mention including the clown loaches get pretty large, so a larger tank/tanks will narrow that down some.
 
It is naturally soft. The pH stays around 6. GH and KH both indicate soft water as well. I am mostly looking for thoughts on what make interesting fish to keep. They need to be soft-water tolerant, but otherwise I am hoping for people's opinions on what kinds of fish they like to keep or would like to keep. Experience (for good or ill) with any of the above mentioned species is especially welcome and I am also eager to hear of fish that people wish they could keep if they had a larger tank, etc.

For anyone who doesn't want to comment because they don't like to recommend fish to people, not knowing what the situation is, please rest assured that I will research any fish before I bring it home. In fact, this thread is an attempt at one type of research. I ask, "What kind of fish do YOU like?" and then thoroughly research the needs of that fish on my own. If it is not suitable or would not make a good tank mate for another fish that I may have decided on, then I have sense enough not to get it. I don't even have the tank (or tanks) yet, so no danger there. :)

I would really love to hear people's opinions and experiences about what fish they enjoy or would like to have. :drinks:
 
I've kept Diamond Tetras before, they are very lovely fish. They seem to look best in a tank that has lots of plant cover as, for some reason, the lower light seems to make them shine more. Just my experience. They aren't particularly aggressive, I don't think. Nothing like Serpae Tetras or such. As for Discus, you're right, they are beautiful fish. Some people keep them alone. I've also heard of them being kept with Rummynose Tetras and Corydoras catfish. So I really think the tankmates are up to you, as long as they're not too boisterous and they can deal with the high temperature that Discus require. I wouldn't count out the SA Cichlids like Apistogramma sp.
They can be lovely fish as well, and they stay quite small, so you can stock the tank with a fair few fish. Gouramis are nice too. Although my favourites, like Honey, Licorice, and Chocolate are quite small, you can get larger ones like the Banded and Thick-lipped Gouramis, as well as the more common Snakeskin and Kissing Gouramis.
 
I've kept Diamond Tetras before, they are very lovely fish. They seem to look best in a tank that has lots of plant cover as, for some reason, the lower light seems to make them shine more. Just my experience. They aren't particularly aggressive, I don't think. Nothing like Serpae Tetras or such. As for Discus, you're right, they are beautiful fish. Some people keep them alone. I've also heard of them being kept with Rummynose Tetras and Corydoras catfish. So I really think the tankmates are up to you, as long as they're not too boisterous and they can deal with the high temperature that Discus require. I wouldn't count out the SA Cichlids like Apistogramma sp.
They can be lovely fish as well, and they stay quite small, so you can stock the tank with a fair few fish. Gouramis are nice too. Although my favourites, like Honey, Licorice, and Chocolate are quite small, you can get larger ones like the Banded and Thick-lipped Gouramis, as well as the more common Snakeskin and Kissing Gouramis.

Thank you so much for your thoughts, TekFish!! For some reason, it seems that people don't like posting in this type of thread. Even in past threads of this nature, there is minimal response. I am so happy to hear about your experience with Diamond Tetras. I would love to see them in a planted tank in person. I've seen a few youtube videos but the video quality was mediocre. From what I've read, this is a fish that must be seen in person to be appreciated.

My 6 year old daughter is pushing for discus. Of course, the discus in video we saw, looked like brightly colored gumdrops, so I am not surprised that she picked them as her favorites. She really likes that some of them are pink. Ha ha!

I have to wait and see what kind of tank I end up getting before making any decisions of course, but it sure is fun to plan ahead and dream of all the possibilities! :)
 
It's not true that discus only do well in species tanks, mine successfully bred in a community tank.

I would go for 200 gallons, planted riparium.

Population:
8 discus
30 cardinal tetras
30 rummynose tetras
20 sterbai corys
5 L183 plecos

As for plants, in the tank a few anubias, a couple of amazon swords, a couple of crinum, a couple of crypts and a tiger lily.

Above water, with the roots in hydroponic baskets containing clay pellets, hanging in the water, peace lilies, a couple of amazon swords, dieffenbachia, philodendrons and pothos. If you have LOTS of light you could even go for hibiscus, but be prepared to be shocked when it appears to die after first being set up.

If you like the idea, amazon frogbit covering the surface would complete the setup.

If you choose to plant any creepers or vines in the hydroponics baskets you might want to set up some kind of trellis behind the tank for them to climb on.

If you set it up right it will look kist like a piece of tropical river bank lifted and placed in your basement.
 
It's not true that discus only do well in species tanks, mine successfully bred in a community tank.

I would go for 200 gallons, planted riparium.

Population:
8 discus
30 cardinal tetras
30 rummynose tetras
20 sterbai corys
5 L183 plecos

As for plants, in the tank a few anubias, a couple of amazon swords, a couple of crinum, a couple of crypts and a tiger lily.

Above water, with the roots in hydroponic baskets containing clay pellets, hanging in the water, peace lilies, a couple of amazon swords, dieffenbachia, philodendrons and pothos. If you have LOTS of light you could even go for hibiscus, but be prepared to be shocked when it appears to die after first being set up.

If you like the idea, amazon frogbit covering the surface would complete the setup.

If you choose to plant any creepers or vines in the hydroponics baskets you might want to set up some kind of trellis behind the tank for them to climb on.

If you set it up right it will look kist like a piece of tropical river bank lifted and placed in your basement.

OOoooooo!!!! That would be amazing!!! I love everything you suggested. :drool: I had never considered a riparium. Hmmm! More to think about.

I looked up the specific pleco you mentioned and Wow! They are really something!

That is good to know about discus not needing to be in a species-only tank. I found a discus forum that I plan on reading through just to see what people's real day-to-day experiences are like, but I haven't had time yet. I'm seriously considering them.
 

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