Fish-in Cycle

[ktricky]

Right i have noticed alot of this not just on here but other places too


their are people jumping down these newbies throats (i had it happen to me but on a different site) because they were advised wrong and some didnt think their was this sort of help on the net (i was one of these) but when people go on at you about being cruel to your new pets, Most of the time as a complete new fish keeper you listen to the lfs/lps who are advising you bet every one did once apon a time, but this will just make some people shy and not look for advice when they will really need it .



i know the importance now of fishless cycling but didnt to begin with due to wrong advice.


i think their should be a sticky about fish-in cycling as their are so many people being told this is the best way to go when at the stores and that way you would get far less people asking about it


rant over love the site and love the peeps on it

 

[hollyp0p]

Right i have noticed alot of this not just on here but other places too


their are people jumping down these newbies throats (i had it happen to me but on a different site) because they were advised wrong and some didnt think their was this sort of help on the net (i was one of these) but when people go on at you about being cruel to your new pets, Most of the time as a complete new fish keeper you listen to the lfs/lps who are advising you bet every one did once apon a time, but this will just make some people shy and not look for advice when they will really need it .



i know the importance now of fishless cycling but didnt to begin with due to wrong advice.


i think their should be a sticky about fish-in cycling as their are so many people being told this is the best way to go when at the stores and that way you would get far less people asking about it


rant over love the site and love the peeps on it

once again I vote....go buy a bottle of 'Safestart' by Tetra Aqua and add that to your tank, and with each 25% weekly water change!

 

[ktricky]

my tank is cycled but my 227l is cycling (fishless) i like to do it with out these help bottles just add a bit of my cycled media once the ammonia is starting to reduce so i have a bit of bacteria in my filter already befor i add more

 

[hollyp0p]

my tank is cycled but my 227l is cycling (fishless) i like to do it with out these help bottles just add a bit of my cycled media once the ammonia is starting to reduce so i have a bit of bacteria in my filter already befor i add more

I was only putting it in as a pro to help any newbies who got given the all clear by their lfs after a week and then came here and panicked

In an ideal and patient world, fishless is best of course!

 

[pauly]

To be honest I dont think people on this forum do jump down newbies throats, most are very helpful.

Paul.

 

[SJ2K]

once again I vote....go buy a bottle of 'Safestart' by Tetra Aqua and add that to your tank, and with each 25% weekly water change!

Not worth the money, wont do anything to help your tank atall. Its true that alot of people jump down the throats of anyone doing a fish-in cycle and shouldnt but as stated, ALOT of people here are just helpful. Also im certain there is a fish-in cycle topic somwhere.

 

[Squid]

Perhaps newbies should also take it up themselves to read the pinned topics and FAQ's..

Ownership and responsibility..

In this very section there is a pinned topic called "Beginner Resouce Center - Please Read Here! " and in there is a topic called "What's Cycling? New Tank And You've Already Got Fish."

or you can do a search and find another pinned topic. A-record-of-cycling-with-fish.. found in this pinned topic in tropical chit chat.. here

What more can be done really. if you had to pull out every single pinned topic and put it on the front page it would be huge.... The one in this section is called Beginner Resouce Center - Please Read Here!, so perhaps people should.

Squid

 

[three-fingers]

Not worth the money, wont do anything to help your tank atall.

I beg to differ, Tetra safestart is one of the few that actually works . I love it, fixes so many problems just like that.

This is worth a read: [URL="http/www.theaquariumwiki.com/Bacteria_bottles%2C_do_they_work%3F"]http/www.theaquariumwiki.com/Bacteria_bo...do_they_work%3F[/URL].

 

[dwarfgourami]

I think Squid has a good point. People spend so much time writing informative posts (must have taken miss Wiggle ages!), which are clearly posted in the place where they ought to be; it must be pretty disheartening when people come on and complain because there is no information. What more can people do than write information posts and post them as stickies? If you come on a new forum and can't be bothered to look up the introductory information, then it really is hard to help you. I speak as somebody who used to spend hours every day writing out the same information over and over again, in ever new posts, when it was already clearly provided by stickies. I am always happy to answer new questions, or questions that aren't provided for elsewhere on the forum, or questions involving slightly new situations, but life is too short for 10 people every day to have to sit and type exactly the same information on the same forum.

 

[Azaezl]

I too agree with squid.

I find the best thing is to give people a brief explanation of what they are /aren't doing wrong, point them in the direction of the pinned topics by providing links and advise them to have a good read and come back with any questions they might have.

I can understand why people lose it a bit with newbies, mainly because as dwarfgourami rightly said it can get disheartning having to type the same thing out several times a day, but you can't take it out on other people, if your fedup of typing the same thing over and over again stop doing it for a little while and let someone else who's in the right frame of mind do it.

What really gets me is when you advise someone, tell them how to go about it in the best way possible and they don't take your advice and come back on looking for help with mistakes you quite clearly told them how not to make. Again though in that situation you have to try and help(despite being miffed) for the sake of the fish and to try and turn that person into a well informed fish keeper.

Everyone makes mistakes, everyone has off days, I'd say on the whole the people here are very very helpful and the newbies are on the right track because at least they are trying to get help and find out more about taking care of fish, so you gotta give them credit for that

 

[Squid]

(despite being miffed)

I love the word miffed.

 

[Azaezl]

(despite being miffed)

I love the word miffed.

It's great isn't it very posh, if it were face to face the word I'd use would be far from lady like

 

[xxBarneyxx]

I do agree with the original poster. A lot of people dont have any idea that a fish in cycle is bad for the fish. They go by what their LFS tells them and to be fair they have no reason to know any different.

Most people will not look this up on the internet (as someone who is new to fish keeping how would you even know what to look for?) as they have asked someone who is supposed to be able to give good advice (LFS).

It is only then when they come to a site like this that they find out there are other ways of doing it and that the way they have been told is actually harming their fish. This is not their fault and there is no point in having a go at people about this.

If someone finds themselves in this situation we need to do our best as responsible fishkeepers to try and give them the best advice possible (frequent water changes, checking ammonia etc, explaining the nitrogen cycle) and not just post stuff like "You evil fish killer, you should immediatly take all your fish back to the shop and do it this way". While that would be the best solution of course its not really something that is going to happen and all you are doing is making some new member upset which then means they will likely not come back and will never learn any better.

On the other hand though people that KNOW about cycling a tank and still go for a fish in method deserve everything they get

 

[Underwurlde]

I beg to differ, Tetra safestart is one of the few that actually works . I love it, fixes so many problems just like that.

This is worth a read: http/www.theaquariumwiki.com/Bacteria_bo...do_they_work%3F.

Hmm, don't believe everything you read in Wiki - it is open source..

Taken from:
http/www.bioconlabs.com/nitribactfacts.html

None of the Nitrobacteraceae are able to form spores. They have a complex cytomembrane (cell wall) that is surrounded by a slime matrix. All species have limited tolerance ranges and are individually sensitive to pH, dissolved oxygen levels, salt, temperature, and inhibitory chemicals. Unlike species of heterotrophic bacteria, they cannot survive any drying process without killing the organism. In water, they can survive short periods of adverse conditions by utilizing stored materials within the cell. When these materials are depleted, the bacteria die.

To me, I cannot see how these solutions-in-a-bottle work. The bacteria need to be FED and AERATED. How can this be done in a bottle? If not, then their metabolizim must be slowed down, and hence once in the bottle must at all times be kept refridgerated (and that includes time during transportation when being delivered etc).

Instant cycling in a bottle as suggested by that Wiki source - You gotta be KIDDING me!

Use mulm instead if you can, otherwise just wait.. It's free after all!

Andy

 

[hollyp0p]

Not worth the money, wont do anything to help your tank atall.

I beg to differ, Tetra safestart is one of the few that actually works . I love it, fixes so many problems just like that.

This is worth a read: <a href="http/www.theaquariumwiki.com/Bacteria_bottles%2C_do_they_work%3F" target="_blank">http/www.theaquariumwiki.com/Bacteria_bo...do_they_work%3F</a>.

yup i agree it's done my tank proud!