Fish Id Help Please!

Chuka1212

Fish Crazy
Joined
Feb 25, 2007
Messages
307
Reaction score
0
Location
USA
Ok, so maybe some of you have heard of the hot springs with fish topic I have posted. (If not search for "Heaven on Earth") Well my friend went there and I couldn't so I asked him to bring me home a convict cichlid if he caught one because I was pretty sure I had seen them there. He brought me home this....

IMG_0684.jpg


IMG_0683.jpg


While it looks like a convict, it doesn't look too much like the ones I am used to seeing. Is he just a poor or different looking specimen? He is a convict right, I just want to make sure since I am housing him in my South american cichlid community. (55 gal) I know he is a little beat up, he came that way but is already starting to do a lot better. The africans in the pond must have bullied him a bit... So anyways a positive ID would be appreciated!
 
Looks to me to be a black convict cichlid, although it seems to be beaten up... which is usually expected when you have African cichlids and south americans together... I'm not 100% sure, however I'm about 96% sure...
 
I've kept convicts alot, its a convict for sure. It looks liek it has a spinal deformity and is malnourished (not your fault, jsut natures). It is beat up, but the lack of bulk and the possible deformity would explain why.

As a side note, I've successfully kept africans and NW cichlids together without problems, so you can't automatically suggestthat that is it. It could be a million things... perhaps that like 2 ft looking koi or another large unidentified fish in there tried to eat it, we don't know for sure.
 
I've kept convicts alot, its a convict for sure. It looks liek it has a spinal deformity and is malnourished (not your fault, jsut natures). It is beat up, but the lack of bulk and the possible deformity would explain why.

As a side note, I've successfully kept africans and NW cichlids together without problems, so you can't automatically suggestthat that is it. It could be a million things... perhaps that like 2 ft looking koi or another large unidentified fish in there tried to eat it, we don't know for sure.


Well.... Thanks for the input all. I guess it is sort of a nasty little convict. I would be interested in having them breed so maybe I will rehome him or take him back to the pond when I go back. I wouldn't want a bunch of deformed babies running around if I did finally manage to get a pair.
 
I've kept convicts alot, its a convict for sure. It looks liek it has a spinal deformity and is malnourished (not your fault, jsut natures). It is beat up, but the lack of bulk and the possible deformity would explain why.

As a side note, I've successfully kept africans and NW cichlids together without problems, so you can't automatically suggestthat that is it. It could be a million things... perhaps that like 2 ft looking koi or another large unidentified fish in there tried to eat it, we don't know for sure.
Not trying to hijack the thread or anything. Nevergone, Dont African cichlids like a high ph and hard water and nw cichlids usually prefer soft water? I could be wrong as I have never kept Africans and am certainly not trying to argue with you. Just wanted to see how you worked out the different water/dietary requirements in the same tank? Just curious...

Drew

Cool convict chikka, Once it heals I am sure it will look even better....You never have to pay for cichlids again chukka, Im so jealous!
 
I've kept convicts alot, its a convict for sure. It looks liek it has a spinal deformity and is malnourished (not your fault, jsut natures). It is beat up, but the lack of bulk and the possible deformity would explain why.

As a side note, I've successfully kept africans and NW cichlids together without problems, so you can't automatically suggestthat that is it. It could be a million things... perhaps that like 2 ft looking koi or another large unidentified fish in there tried to eat it, we don't know for sure.
Not trying to hijack the thread or anything. Nevergone, Dont African cichlids like a high ph and hard water and nw cichlids usually prefer soft water? I could be wrong as I have never kept Africans and am certainly not trying to argue with you. Just wanted to see how you worked out the different water/dietary requirements in the same tank? Just curious...

Drew

Cool convict chikka, Once it heals I am sure it will look even better....You never have to pay for cichlids again chukka, Im so jealous!

Hehe! When and if I ever start a big african setup you are right, I will not buy a single one!! Don't be too jealous about South American cichlids... so far the only cool one I got was that white one and I let him go cause I didn't know what he was!!! :angry: But I suppose there could be more....

And I agree with you, early on in the hobby (when I was 13 I think) I tried to keep the two together and my S.A. cichlids got bullied near to death. The africans were way more aggressive. But I have seen it work in the hotsprings pond I found, there are convicts and an oscar in with africans. Maybe they are adaptable and have plenty of space to make it work.... Sorry, I know you weren;t asking me the Q but thought i would give my two cents worth.
 
ok... sry to seem to dumb but.. do some people call those fish oscars or are those a different type of fish?
 
ok... sry to seem to dumb but.. do some people call those fish oscars or are those a different type of fish?
Oscars are a type of New world Cichlid.

Drew

You dont seem dumb, just curious :thumbs:

I've kept convicts alot, its a convict for sure. It looks liek it has a spinal deformity and is malnourished (not your fault, jsut natures). It is beat up, but the lack of bulk and the possible deformity would explain why.

As a side note, I've successfully kept africans and NW cichlids together without problems, so you can't automatically suggestthat that is it. It could be a million things... perhaps that like 2 ft looking koi or another large unidentified fish in there tried to eat it, we don't know for sure.
Not trying to hijack the thread or anything. Nevergone, Dont African cichlids like a high ph and hard water and nw cichlids usually prefer soft water? I could be wrong as I have never kept Africans and am certainly not trying to argue with you. Just wanted to see how you worked out the different water/dietary requirements in the same tank? Just curious...

Drew

Cool convict chikka, Once it heals I am sure it will look even better....You never have to pay for cichlids again chukka, Im so jealous!

Hehe! When and if I ever start a big african setup you are right, I will not buy a single one!! Don't be too jealous about South American cichlids... so far the only cool one I got was that white one and I let him go cause I didn't know what he was!!! :angry: But I suppose there could be more....

And I agree with you, early on in the hobby (when I was 13 I think) I tried to keep the two together and my S.A. cichlids got bullied near to death. The africans were way more aggressive. But I have seen it work in the hotsprings pond I found, there are convicts and an oscar in with africans. Maybe they are adaptable and have plenty of space to make it work.... Sorry, I know you weren;t asking me the Q but thought i would give my two cents worth.
I was just gonna add to my thread I know it could work because of your lake place and a few others where it exist. But like you said probably a bad idea in an aquarium setting. Your two cents is worth just as much as everyone elses BTW :good:
 
ok... sry to seem to dumb but.. do some people call those fish oscars or are those a different type of fish?

nope, oscars are a different fish, but they are a south american cichlid.
Here's an oscar
IMG_0618.jpg

Sorry, a very bad pic of my little guy.
 
hmmm our oscars looked like the pic that was posted in the first thread.. LOL:S:S and they were called oscars.> LOL an they lived a LOOOONNNNNNNGGGGG tim*e.> LOL> they were very hardy.. they were the very first fish we eer had.. well the very first tropical fish we had...
 
Oscars vary in colour and change often, there are also a few different kinds :good: Cute oscar chukka. I gotta get some pics of my little red tiger. Not even 2 inches yet, but before you know it he will try to eat my fingers off :hyper: And just to clarify, Central and south American Cichlids fall into New world Cichlids. Just making sure we dont confuse anyone :good:

Drew

At second look, your oscar has some very distinct red coloring, I really like it! Hope it stays that way as he/she ages.

Edit-Spelling
 
Ok, most fish, especially those in lfs settings have already adapted to the same water conditions. It's easy to find a middle ground if you know your water parameters. We can loo kat the recommended water parameters for both types of fish and some commonly kept species. Others, I'm aware informations will vary from place ot pplace so please don't nit pick too much. :D You can fidn the info on fishprofiles

The average stats for a Jack Dempsey
pH: 7.0 - 8.0
Temperature: 72F - 86F
Hardness: 10 - 20 dH
Carnivore

Average Stats for a Convict
pH: 7.0 - 8.0
Temperature: 68F - 79F
Hardness: 9 - 20 dH
Omnivore

Both of those are NW cichlids


Average stats for Peacock cichlid
pH: 7.5 - 8.5
Temperature: 73F - 81F
Hardness: 10 - 15 dH
Carnivore

Average stats for a Yellow Lab
pH: 7.5 - 8.6
Temperature: 73F - 82F
Hardness: 9 - 16 dH
Omnivore


Both of which are African Cichlids, more specifically Lake Malawi



So if you have the proper water, You're stats could be

pH: 7.5-8.0
Temperature: around 75F
Hardness: around 10 dH
Diet, I feed a vary varied diet, I also have bottom dwellers. I feed spirulina, various frozen foods, flake pellets etc.

Temperment, this is jsut knowing your fish. I watch the fish very carefully, sometiems for hours, and I watch the heirarchy in the tank. I always pick the fish at the bottom of the pyramid to ensure the most "tame" "docile" fish. I rearrange the tnak, all fo my tanks have caves, rocks and sand as a substrate, soem have driftwood/bogwood.


Its basically stretching beyond the "norms". Also, it was only a couple africans in a tank full of NW cichlids. They were all juvies and pretty much grew up together. I don't recommend that peopel do this, but it is possible. Right now I only own one african and he gets on fine with all of my other cichlids. He knows his place al lthe other fish know their place. My fish NEVER fight, well seriously fight anyways. Its feeding tiem you see this organization take place. Like I said, I only have one african left and he's been i nthe situation for a while.

Its possible, but I won't recommend it. Its all about knowing the disposition of all of your fish, knowing your water parameters, and being able to judge the aggression correctly. In cichlids I feel thsoe huge humps are ugly, I try ot avoid them, hence my fish aren'taggressive. I don't liek glass bangers.

I find fish that have been through a rough life and you look into their eyes and you can see it there. You take them home, they thank you. All of my fish were "rescued" fro ma life they didn't like, and honestly I feel in return they thank me by tolerating fish that they don't like :lol:. Well all except my festae :(. But the others get along great.

Hmm... hopefully I don't get reamed by other members for keepign the african in there, but what are you supposed to do when I wanted a fish for my JD and they recommended a fish that later you found out isnt compatible??? You make due. And he's about 6" full bodied, I swear he learned ot be a NW cichlid so much he bulked up liek one lol. You couldn't tell the difference between him (an albino zebra I think he is) and my pink con male if you looked quickly :lol: Yuo had to look for the slightest difference in height and the "egg spots" o nthe african.
 

Most reactions

Back
Top