Fish Die After 2 Weeks

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Hi,

I have a 45L aquarium curently inhabited by an angel fish, a clown loach, an underwater frog and a sucker fish. About a month ago, after testing the water proved fine, we added a swordtail and a guppy, all was well but then they both died within a day of each other after 2 weeks. We had the water re-tested and the shop replaced the fish, again they both died 2 weeks later with 1 day of each other.

Water temperature is good, the fish shop confirmed that our feeding patterns are good. All the existing fish have been fine. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why new fish might regularly die after 2 weeks?

Many thanks.
 
firstly, i have never kept any of the fish you have listed and will not pretend to know much about them, but you may need to do some further research and rethink your stocking. i believe an angel fish needs a bigger tank than 45 litres, also how deep is it. angels much prefer deeper tanks to longer ones. should be about 16 18 ' i think the clown loach is also going to get pretty big for your tank.

guupys i think are fairly sensitive fish so their reason for dying might have been to do with stress during transportation rather than your water quality. were your fish corectly carefully acclimatised to your tank? they dont appreciate temperature drops, maybe ph differences. i know you said the temperature was fine, but it's the changes in temperature which might have affected the fish

you should test your water yourself with your own test kit. and make sure you use a liquid based one, don't get test strips. how long has your tank been cycled for?
 
Hi,

I have a 45L aquarium curently inhabited by an angel fish, a clown loach, an underwater frog and a sucker fish. About a month ago, after testing the water proved fine, we added a swordtail and a guppy, all was well but then they both died within a day of each other after 2 weeks. We had the water re-tested and the shop replaced the fish, again they both died 2 weeks later with 1 day of each other.

Water temperature is good, the fish shop confirmed that our feeding patterns are good. All the existing fish have been fine. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why new fish might regularly die after 2 weeks?

Many thanks.

hi byker,

considering you only have an 11USG tank you have a lot of fish in it and I would be very suspicious if your LFS is telling you the water is fine,

I'm afraid the clown loach shouldn't be in that tank at all, They need to be kept in groups (at least 3 bare minimum) and can grow to 13inches in length and will require at least a 300L tank

The Angel also needs a bigger tank and if the sucker fish is a common pleco then again that will need a bigger tank as some can reach 2 feet in length.

Did your LFS write down the water stats for you or did they tell you any numbers or anything at all?

Also i sense a pattern where you are buying one of each species? please don't each species needs to be kept in specifics, i.e.groups/pairs/shoals/trios depending on which species it is.
 
Thanks all.

As a beginner in all this, I'm starting to think that I should change my fish supplier as I seem to be getting some pretty ropey advice. When I first bought the tank they said that I could build it up to a dozen fish!

None of the current fish are more than 5cm long and we've had them for about 18 months now. The tank is spherical, about 50cm diameter so there is a bit of depth for the angel. How long before they reach full size?

Transfer - I don't use a seperate tank but I do equalise the water temp in the bag with the aquarium before introducing the fish.

I didn't get any numbers from the LFS water test, but the liquid colours for each test were always right at the end of each scale.

Thanks again everyone for your feedback - enjoying this new hobby, as is my 9 y.o. son, but it is frustrating when new fish keep dying.
 
Hi - I think, unfortunately, you will probably need to return most of those fish to your LFS and rethink your stock choice as most of those fish are wrong for that size and shape tank.

A lot of staff working in LFS's will tell you anything in order to make a sale. It's always best to do your homework on a particular type of fish before buying. Or you can ask a few important questions in the shop and if they are unsure of the answer, ask them to look it up in one of their books (most of them will have a few tropical fish books on the shelves!).

You need to be asking what the adult size of the fish will be. That way you can avoid wasting money buying fish that will outgrow your tank and need rehoming, which might be difficult. Next find out whether they are shoaling fish or can be kept singly or in pairs etc. Also check on what type of water conditions and substrate they prefer, or whether they are cave dwellers etc. Each species is different and by checking out these things beforehand can make a lot of difference to the well-being of the fish. A happy fish is a healthy fish!

Next you want to find out what that particular fish is compatible with. In your tank you have an Angel fish and you added guppies. Not a good combination as Angels are terrible fin-nippers and guppies will end up with shredded fins and possibly die from stress.

If you can, try to get a mix of top, middle and bottom dwellers - but you won't be able to do this very well in a small tank with shoaling fish species as you are limited to the amount of fish you can stock. Look for dwarf varieties, perhaps.

If the person in your LFS is being unhelpful, make a note of the fish you are interested in, then you can always post questions on here for advice before making a purchase - or just Google and see what you find that way.

It might seem a bit long-winded but it's the best thing to do to avoid a situation like the one you're in at the moment.

Also, another bit of advice would be to invest in a liquid testing kit as the paper strip tests are very unreliable.

Remember to do your weekly 25% water changes, too. That will keep ammonia levels down, especially a few days/week after adding any new fish as the more fish you have the higher the ammonia/nitrites levels.

As a rough estimate they say you can keep an inch of fish per gallon. If yours is about a US 12 gallon that doesn't mean 12 fish of any species or size - you have to find out the adult size of each fish you buy and work it out from that. So, let's say you end up stocking the tank with fish that don't grow larger than 2" each - then you can stock with about 6 fish, even a few more if your tank conditions are kept tip-top. But if you put in a fish that grows to 6", then it will mean less of the smaller fish.

A slightly understocked tank is always easier for beginners to manage than an over-stocked tank that needs a lot of high maintenance.

Hope I've not bombarded you with too much advice in one go :unsure:

All the best - Athena
 
Hi Athena,

Many thanks for the detailed response, I feel suitably enlightened as well just a little chastised ;o)
 
Hi Athena,

Many thanks for the detailed response, I feel suitably enlightened as well just a little chastised ;o)


No, no not at all "chastised" (sorry, didn't mean it to come across that way) - we all start off doing exactly the same thing - getting bad advice from our LFS or not even asking for advice and just merrily choosing whatever fish take our fancy and plonking them all in together (I did the same thing and learnt the hard way!) :lol: and we only find the best way to do it through experience and getting advice online, like on here.

So, no, it's not your fault at all.

Regards - Athena
 
You have been given alot of good advice here but I wanted to add one more thing that the LFS will not tell you. Not all fish enjoy the same PH. If I am not mistaken, an angel likes slightly acidic water (Ph less than 7.0) where a guppy likes alkaline water (Ph greater than 7.0). I learned that the hard way. The LFS will tell you fish are good for a community tank but that means keeping your Ph neutral (Equals 7.0) That is hard to do with water changes and such. The PH of my tap water is 7.5 (alkaline), but yours could be 6.5 (acidic). Your angel would love the 6.5 water, but a guppy would not. Ph has been a factor in many of my lessons learned the hard way.
 
Hi,

I have a 45L aquarium curently inhabited by an angel fish, a clown loach, an underwater frog and a sucker fish. About a month ago, after testing the water proved fine, we added a swordtail and a guppy, all was well but then they both died within a day of each other after 2 weeks. We had the water re-tested and the shop replaced the fish, again they both died 2 weeks later with 1 day of each other.

Water temperature is good, the fish shop confirmed that our feeding patterns are good. All the existing fish have been fine. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why new fish might regularly die after 2 weeks?

Many thanks.

Fish dont die after 2 weeks...
Hmmmm, this is hard, maybe your not feeding the fish the right food, or your serving to much or too little! :unsure:
I feel sorry for your fish, maybe you should by different breeds of fish this time :rolleyes:
 

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