Endangered/wild fish...

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Endangered/wild fish...
I can't remember where i read it now, but apparently 40% of fish that can end up in from in lfs's are from the wild...
In the future i'd like to do a project into breeding fish that havn't been bred before in captivity but i realy don't know where to start in which which ones havn't bred before in captivity and i would be glad to hear any suggestions from you guys

Breeding fish that havn't been bred before in captivity i think is a very important area of fish keeping as once people can bred such fish in captivity it drastically lowers their price in shops and thus less and less are imported from endangered or dwindling habitats in the wild and thus helping secure the enviroment.
I know i have already posted similar threads but i am trying to gather as bigger picture as posible on the situation before i attempt such a thing, so any suggestions or comments are much appreiciated .

 

[WILDER]

I've noticed alot of fish are from the wild when you talk to the staff at the lfs, which i don't agree with, and you don't no what they are fetching in from the wild, as most fish keepers don't quarantine them, they rather pass something on to the other fish in the tank, or the other way round you can't win.

 

[NinjaSmurf]

I imagine the reason that most of these fish are caught from the wild is because it's very hard if not impossible to breed them in captivity. Why else would they spend such money on catching and shipping them from other countries?

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Apparently alot of fish from the loach family are imported from the wild...
When it comes down to it, these fish are only here because of our own selfish desires and the wholes process does nothing in helping these fish or helping secure their habitats; the way i see it, a fish should not be imported for use in common tropical aquariums for everyday people who's only intention is to keep them as pets...
I am also sure a huge percentage of these fish must die from the importing process and on top of that many must die from deseases in lfs's and even after that, many also die just surviving in peoples aquariums.
I would be interested in the average survival rate for say your average rare plec from say, Brazil, getting from there to here; i wouldn't be suprised if 1 out of 6 dies...

 

[NinjaSmurf]

WEll, look at bettas, they are bred here and they still end up with a lot of them sick, dead, and.or mistreated. I don't think it really matters where the fish comes from so much as how people treat it.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Ok, let me rephrase myself a bit; im not having a go at anyone who owns a rare/wild or endangered fish here- im not blaming them at all, all they are doing is buying a fish that is available. But the availability of the fish is what gets me, i don't think half the wild fish out there should be available to buy in the first place.

We have laws against buying wild animals lwithout proper license or license at all like many turtles/frogs/spiders/scorpions for example or animals that you see in zoo's, but i see very few, if any, laws for fish.

 

[terrorist_124]

i dont think aquarium hobbyists threaten the population of fish around the world .because if people wouldn't buy fish as pets then companies would not breed these fish.the more the demand for aquarium fish the more people breed them and thus their population increases.i'm not saying that your wrong , i am against the mistreatment of fish . all im saying is that we don't pose a threat to their population.

p.s try breeding balas , they havnt been bred much in captivity and they are so popular.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

i dont think aquarium hobbyists threaten the population of fish around the world .because if people wouldn't buy fish as pets then companies would not breed these fish.the more the demand for aquarium fish the more people breed them and thus their population increases.i'm not saying that your wrong , i am against the mistreatment of fish . all im saying is that we don't pose a threat to their population.

Im talking about fish here that can't or havn't been bred in captivity, not fish that are.
Im also against mistreatment of fish, but thats another story.

 

[LoachLover]

Basically all the loaches you see in the LFS have been wild caught. I'm trying to breed the Zipper Loach currently.

 

[pica_nuttalli]

its really not even an issue of "can it be done?"--the question is always "can it be done in a cost effective manner?"

a very telling anecdote in my Axelrod mini-atlas is:

It is a strange thing about the Corydoras catfishes: practically all of the fish we see for sale have been caught wild in South America and imported into this country. The Corydoras species are not as difficult to spawn as many others which our hatceries produce, but nobody wants to spawn Corydoras. Like the Neon Tetra, it is cheaper to import them than it would be to raise them

 

[One_Trick_Pony]

although cories are spposed ot be quite a good breeding project for a home auqarist more for fun then profit! i really taken with them s they may be the first i will try

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

I've bred albino corys before but has anyone bred panda corys- are they more difficult to breed?

 

[One_Trick_Pony]

pandas would be the ones i want to do there so cute, but as yet have no idea havm't yet begun to look into it

 

[ccg]

Well, to answer your question about breeding in captivity - I believe any fish in the world can be breed in captibity, if you are willing to spend huge amounts of money and time.

If you were to replicate any fish's habbitat, and give them HUGE amounts of water, and 100% perfect conditions, then of course they would breed. This would have to be done on such a huge scale in order for this to work, and is not practical.

Also, if we want to stop pulling fish from the wild then we should not try and keep fish in tanks like we do. I understand what you are saying and what you would like to see acomplished, but I don't think it'll ever happen.

 

[Opcn]

So, What about the fish that are only in danger because people are trying to get/ breed fish that aren't bred in captivity?