Emergency!

[johnhugill]

Hi there, I've just been to the fish shop and got some new fish for one of my tanks. I've put two clown loaches in one tank that has been currently established for a few months. in the tank I have 5 Guppys, one red tail shark and I did have two female fighters but one has died within 1 hour of putting the loaches in the tank.

I have another tank that has cycled for two weeks. I've just also added 5 Guppies to that tank..

Do I need to take the clown loaches out of the first tank and put them into the hardly established tank?

Please help! I'm having a family BBQ at the mo. But I need to save these fish!!!

Emergency!!

 

[jkrekord]

How bigs the tank? also you have some rather uncompatible species together there.

 

[johnhugill]

How bigs the tank? also you have some rather uncompatible species together there.

When I got them, they said they would be ok together! The tank is about 35lt. I have a 3' one that i can put them into though.

Hope this helps!

 

[jkrekord]

Right to put this in perspective... all them fish need rehomeing... except.. maybe... the guppies, red tailed black sharks, grow big need a lot of room, an are aggresive, clown loaches grow big and need a lot of room... jus tto put it in perspective for you, you have 35 litres, they need about 90 gallons, the female siamese fighter would be ok in that tank, but not with guppies its either guppies or siamese not both, if you choose siamese you could add some african dwarf frogs an a few amano shrimp.

 

[johnhugill]

Right to put this in perspective... all them fish need rehomeing... except.. maybe... the guppies, red tailed black sharks, grow big need a lot of room, an are aggresive, clown loaches grow big and need a lot of room... jus tto put it in perspective for you, you have 35 litres, they need about 90 gallons, the female siamese fighter would be ok in that tank, but not with guppies its either guppies or siamese not both, if you choose siamese you could add some african dwarf frogs an a few amano shrimp.

What can I do in the meantime???

 

[jkrekord]

move as many of the fish as you can into the 3', assumeing that its cycled... apart from that the only thing you can do is take them fish to an store or somethin as quick as you can.

 

[johnhugill]

move as many of the fish as you can into the 3', assumeing that its cycled... apart from that the only thing you can do is take them fish to an store or somethin as quick as you can.

is it the loaches that are the problem??

 

[Aphotic Phoenix]

Leave the female betta in the small tank...move the filter and other fish from the smaller cycled tank to the larger one if possible. If you've been dosing the large tank with Ammonia make sure to do a large water change to remove it and built up nitrites. Although the smaller filter will be much too underpowered for the larger tank, it will at least help remove some of the waste produced by the fish, and hopefully help the new filter "clone".

 

[afishdude]

just to let you know,
the RTB will get to 5-7"
the clown loaches wil get to almost 2 feet long each
the siameese figher (betta) will be ok by themselfs, they like to be solitary fish.
for the most part all your fish are incompatable and most need rehoming.

 

[fry_lover]

just to let you know,
the RTB will get to 5-7"
the clown loaches wil get to almost 2 feet long each
the siameese figher (betta) will be ok by themselfs, they like to be solitary fish.
for the most part all your fish are incompatable and most need rehoming.

i like you dude i really do, but you come up with some funny stats sometimes

2 feet long Clown Loach?

i think thats pushing it mate

possibly in "theory" somewhere.....

EDIT: in "fairness" you said "almost 2 foot" and i think 14-16" has been achieved in aquaria, possibly more, but i do laugh sometimes on this forum when i see people throwing these wild stats about, and telling people they need a this and that gallon tank for something like fish keeping is some magic formula where you if get the right gallon tank you are sorted (slight exageration perhaps and i know for sure a 35 litre is way to small, WAY too small), no disrespect, this persons set up is problematic big time and they need advice, but do we have to go throwing numbers about so randomly?

So someone is telling the poster Clown Loach "need" a 90 gallon tank? I think we need to be careful with these figures, the poster could go away thinking he cant keep Clowns unless he had a 90 gallon tank, thats simply not true, he CERTAINLY needs a bigger thank for sure.

I think we should just add some substance to when we quote this statistics and numbers at peeps, especially newbie types.

The guy who quoted Clowns "need" 90 gallons lives in UK, so that means 410 litres.

So if i had a 48x20x20 tank which is 66 UK Gallons and 300 litres i cant keep Clown Loach?

I think the guy that said that is RESPONSIBLE and in someway perhaps correct, but lets just put things into perspective, a Clown Loach is a slow growing fish, and if you have a reasonable size tank and provide good water quality and feeding, there is a lot more than "size of tank", DISCLAIMER: within reason, my view is that Clown Loach should be kept in groups of x4 minimum and that your tank should be atleast 40" and pref 48" long and atleast 200 litres, pref a bit more (i.e 45 UK gallons minimum and 54 US Gallons)

EDIT: my Clown Loach figures are bare minimum

EDIT: no disprespect to afishdude who knows a lot from his other posts

 

[johnhugill]

Yes I agree! People are just throwing numbers and stupid interlex into the mix. It's not rocket science.

Everyone is telling me these formulas and 'their ideas', but everyone has a different one!

The bottom line is, I just don't want to harm my fish. Yeah, I'm new to the hobby and, YES, I'm making mistakes, BUT, please cut the bull#### and give me some advice!

 

[afishdude]

wild clowns get to almost 2and 1/2 feet. and i said almost 2 feet, and their is record of 18" in aquariums and that is almost 2 feet. and glad to no you like me

Yes I agree! People are just throwing numbers and stupid interlex into the mix. It's not rocket science.Everyone is telling me these formulas and 'their ideas', but everyone has a different one! The bottom line is, I just don't want to harm my fish. Yeah, I'm new to the hobby and, YES, I'm making mistakes, BUT, please cut the bull#### and give me some advice!

uhm excuse me but we have all gave you advise, we said get rid of the clowns and the RTB

 

[fry_lover]

LOL

i think you know quite a bit afishdude (see my edit) and my issue isnt with you, its just on this forum, i see many stats posted and not much substance to go with it sometimes, altho you clown loach stats are not actually that far off

EDIT: Afishdude, if you walked into a LFS and saw a 18" Clown Loach your eyes would pop out your head surely!!!!!

 

[johnhugill]

wild clowns get to almost 2and 1/2 feet. and i said almost 2 feet, and their is record of 18" in aquariums and that is almost 2 feet. and glad to no you like me

Yes I agree! People are just throwing numbers and stupid interlex into the mix. It's not rocket science.Everyone is telling me these formulas and 'their ideas', but everyone has a different one! The bottom line is, I just don't want to harm my fish. Yeah, I'm new to the hobby and, YES, I'm making mistakes, BUT, please cut the bull#### and give me some advice!

uhm excuse me but we have all gave you advise, we said get rid of the clowns and the RTB

Get rid of the clowns to the other tank?

I am new to the hooby

 

[afishdude]

EDIT: Afishdude, if you walked into a LFS and saw a 18" Clown Loach your eyes would pop out your head surely!!!!!

of course, whos wouldnt???

wild clowns get to almost 2and 1/2 feet. and i said almost 2 feet, and their is record of 18" in aquariums and that is almost 2 feet. and glad to no you like me

Yes I agree! People are just throwing numbers and stupid interlex into the mix. It's not rocket science.Everyone is telling me these formulas and 'their ideas', but everyone has a different one! The bottom line is, I just don't want to harm my fish. Yeah, I'm new to the hobby and, YES, I'm making mistakes, BUT, please cut the bull#### and give me some advice!

uhm excuse me but we have all gave you advise, we said get rid of the clowns and the RTB

Get rid of the clowns to the other tank?I am new to the hooby

not unless you have a 75g+ for in a couple of months when they are 10". if not i would rehome them now so you dont risk becoming attached to them.