Do You Agree With Glofish?

[Blondielovesfish]

 

I wish that humans were not so selfish a as to have to mutate and warp a fish for their own grotesque financial benefits. Thankfully they're banned in Australia.

They were not intended to be a financial gain. If youre going to name countries name one that doesnt abuse chickens and create bird flu panics throughout the nation.

Hate to say it but you have organizations with over $100k/yr funding due to your countries animal cruetly problems.

No one murdered the fish here or put them in toxic bath.

I'm not sure entirely what they're used to test but I've heard toxins and radiation in waterways. Surely there is a more humane way to test for these than using live animals.

Ask these guys why.

http/www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/animal_experimentation.php

More than six million animals are used annually in research and teaching in Australia and New Zealand. Many (but not all) those animals are subjected to some degree of pain and/or stress during the experimental procedure or as a result of the environment in which they are kept prior to and/or after the procedures. Australia does not yet publish national animal research and teaching statistics, but most States now gather them and publish them separately. See the statistics at Humane Research Australia.
 

 
A countries view on Animal Testing has nothing to do with an individuals.
 
Yes, New Zealand and Australia do (unfortunately) animal test. Do I or TT support it? No!
 
But, America animal tests too. Just because your country animal tests, doesn't mean you support it, does it?
 
And, at least organisations in Australia and New Zealand are trying to stop it. You said so yourself...

Hate to say it but you have organizations with over $100k/yr funding due to your countries animal cruetly problems.
 

 

[ncguppy830]

ok now i think were going a ittle to far here can we stop attacking each others contries here?

 

[draxis]

ok now i think were going a ittle to far here can we stop attacking each others contries here?

Murika world police regulated thread.

 

[ncguppy830]

 

[TallTree01]

+1

 

[paradiddle]

I voted that I hated them,
This isn't true.
I hate what some idiot has done to them.
Stop messing with things that don't need to be messed with.

 

[draxis]

I voted that I hated them,
This isn't true.
I hate what some idiot has done to them.
Stop messing with things that don't need to be messed with.

Uh he didnt harm them in any way other then making a zebra danio into a rave party on esctacy.

 

[ncguppy830]

what does that even mean?

 

[mrhidley]

Seeing that there's no harm caused to the fish, I have no strong opinion either way. While i wouldn't like to have fluorescent fish in my aquarium, I'm not going to flame anyone for wanting them, I see it as personal taste.

 

[Nordk]

Personally, I don't like the GloFish. They're very tacky and are another means of explointing uneducated people into spending money on poor setups, which ultimately fail, and put a bad light on the hobby.

  The tank decorations they sell are equally atrocious and tacky.

 The fish are also engineered to be sterile, so you can't breed them. What fun are wierd colored fish if you can't try to make new color morphs?

 

[ncguppy830]

actually you can breed them and they are breed true so the babies glow aswell

 

[iapple5678]

 
 

Their genetics are closer to their wild counter parts then any color morph fish out there, angels, livebearers, ect.

 
Really? The colour genes are taken from a jellyfish. Surely that makes their genetics further away than a domestic platy v a wild platy?
 

 
Nope. They take the wild type zebra fish as it would be naturally and insert a single extra gene for florescent proteins. Genetically is its still 99.9999999+% the wild type fish. A domestic platy doesn't even carry a species name unless it from a decent breeder IMO, only the genus should be applied. Too many fish sold as platies are hybrids these days (at least in the US). They are not as bad as swordtails, but still not something I would give a species name unless I knew it was a true strain(ie not anything coming from a LFS). A single tank bred mutation doesn't give a red wag platy it takes multiple mutations to get that color expression and is more or less impossible without line breeding(or inbreeding if done poorly). To gain something you usually must give something up, tank strains are usually not as robust as wild strains, this is especially true for fancy guppies. Show guppies are very sensitive fish while feeder guppies are not. Its basic genetics. A good breeder can make a new strain that is about as robust as the wild type, but it requires more outbreeding which can slow the process down. For those breeding or developing for profit its something that isn't done as much as it should be, the result is a weaker strain. With glofish none of that is applicable since they are the wild strain with just a single additional gene. That gene being from a jellyfish doesn't make much of a difference in my book since hybrid genes aren't exactly something that you will find in the wild either when two species don't naturally overlap populations.
 
No matter how much you hate it fish like the glofish are great for drawing kids into the hobby. They pose no risk of polluting the aquarium hobby with hybrids like a lot of the fancy/misc livebearers, rainbowfish, and cichlids do. Too many of which are sold as a species when they are hybrids thus damaging aquarium strains. They are more physically and genetically fit then said hybrids I personally think glofish are more ethical then majorly mutated goldfish and bettas so weighed down by their fins they can hardly swim properly along with many other ethically questionable fish this hobby has created. 
 
Every country utilizes information from animal testing weather they conducted the research themselves or not. That goes down to individuals too. Basically every medication out there has to past animal testing as well as many other products you use, but thats not relevant to this thread. I had a professor that researched heart defects and stem cells using zebra fish and lots of heart defective fish died for that. But its nothing compared to the number of zebra fish killed by the aquarium hobby.

 

[draxis]

what does that even mean?

Take ecstasy and go to a rave. Aka glofish tank.

 

[TallTree01]

what does that even mean?

Take ecstasy and go to a rave. Aka glofish tank.

Still don't get it...

 

[iapple5678]

Its a US thing maybe???  Music Concert, light show, and paint/stuff that glows under black light, lots of crazy fun and activities of questionable legality.