ncguppy830
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i have no problem with them for scientific purposes ,but i have a problem with the market slobs trying to sell em for profit.
Do You Agree With Glofish?
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My opinion is they are marketed for kids. Personaly I do not care for them, but a 3 year old would think they are fasanating. With the new kind of tanks that show off the colors, kids love them. You have to have an opened mind about this and think of the wide range of buyers.
I'll keep my natural ones, I have great colors with my Guppies, Bettas, Neons and Plattys.
I'll keep my natural ones, I have great colors with my Guppies, Bettas, Neons and Plattys.
Blondielovesfish said:
This did make me laugh, you keep fish, in a tank.... How natural is that
A large majority of the fish kept have been selectively bred for certain traits, hardly natural. Providing you are not a vegan, the majority of food you eat comes from selectively bred lines etc etc. So going by your reasoning, you are probably very cruel.
As to my views, I don't really know tbh. I wouldn't keep them, I do prefer more natural looking pets. And the use of GFPs has been greatly beneficial to science, in my opinion if money is being made of these animals, it should be getting fed back into scientific research. And I really hope the keeping of transgenic individuals are totally banned in areas where the fish are found naturally. And equally I think the trade needs to make very sure that wild type strains are kept as such and not allowed to mix.
I guess it's like anything else that's genetically modified, it's rarely tolerated in Europe although the Americans don't seem bothered about GM produce for example. And once you understand the process it's not nearly as bad as it sounds. And maybe if they help youngsters get into fish keeping and potentially gain an interest in science they really aren't such a bad idea but I do worry about such wide scale uncontrolled breeding of a genetically modified organism.
Blondielovesfish
Kia Ora
My definition of unnatural fish are things that aren't found in the wild. Things that are made in a science lab should stay in a science lab.
Yes, domestic Betta Splendids aren't found like they are in the wild, but, they have come from wild specimens, they have been selectively bred, but, they haven't been modified to glow in the dark.
I just think that GloFish are wrong. But, that's my opinion, and you don't have to agree with it. Everyone has their own opinions and I respect your opinion as long as you respect mine
Also, I am a Vegetarian
Yes, domestic Betta Splendids aren't found like they are in the wild, but, they have come from wild specimens, they have been selectively bred, but, they haven't been modified to glow in the dark.
I just think that GloFish are wrong. But, that's my opinion, and you don't have to agree with it. Everyone has their own opinions and I respect your opinion as long as you respect mine
Also, I am a Vegetarian
TooManyChoices said:
The difference is that dogs, or bettas, or whatever, have come about through a natural process, it is still the species' natural reproduction method that has accomplished the change. Therefore, evolution could have done the same thing, it is just that humans have sped up and guided that process. There is no way on Earth that a Glofish(r) could have happened naturally.
germanblueR said:
Really? The colour genes are taken from a jellyfish. Surely that makes their genetics further away than a domestic platy v a wild platy?
ncguppy830 said:
Ultimately, that is also my viewpoint. Nature (including my answer to TMC above) produces some beautiful fish - we don't need these artificial monstrosities.
TallTree01
Coo, Man
I'm not sure entirely what they're used to test but I've heard toxins and radiation in waterways. Surely there is a more humane way to test for these than using live animals.
ncguppy830
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well maybe not think how long weve used animals for testing and the succesful results we have..... these danios were bred for this purpose , to help the enviroment somehow, just like feeder goldies for food.
I reckon that as mentioned already, these Glofish will likely attract the wrong sort of people to purchase them MOST of the time..
That being said, how often do you see people buying Bettas or Goldfish just because they look pretty, then have zero intent on researching the correct care or housing for them? Constantly I'd say, so these aren't a heap different to that as far as the market they are aimed at.
As far as the genetic modification, it occurred about a decade ago, and since then these are simply bred off the "original" batches, so there's no further modification to these fellas, and it is only a fluorescent protein found in Jelly fish that literally only changes the pigmentation of the skin/flesh, doesn't reduce life span or anything, so i don't see it as cruel at all. It'd be different if EVERY new fish was injected and modified.
I think there is a place for them in, and yes it is next to the pink castles and multi coloured fluro gravel at the LFS, but I'd not want to stop anyone from buying them, just wont get them myself.
That being said, how often do you see people buying Bettas or Goldfish just because they look pretty, then have zero intent on researching the correct care or housing for them? Constantly I'd say, so these aren't a heap different to that as far as the market they are aimed at.
As far as the genetic modification, it occurred about a decade ago, and since then these are simply bred off the "original" batches, so there's no further modification to these fellas, and it is only a fluorescent protein found in Jelly fish that literally only changes the pigmentation of the skin/flesh, doesn't reduce life span or anything, so i don't see it as cruel at all. It'd be different if EVERY new fish was injected and modified.
I think there is a place for them in, and yes it is next to the pink castles and multi coloured fluro gravel at the LFS, but I'd not want to stop anyone from buying them, just wont get them myself.
I don't like them for general sale as I said earlier, but thus process is being done all over the world and just proves that genes from one animal can be transplanted into another and be expressed successfully. I do think that this should only be done in the lab at the moment but it is amazing what gene therapy might be able to do in the future.
Did you know that some species of shark can't get cancer? If we isolated the gene/genes that stopped the cancer forming and could splice it into a human..
Would you say no???
Did you know that some species of shark can't get cancer? If we isolated the gene/genes that stopped the cancer forming and could splice it into a human..
Would you say no???
They were not intended to be a financial gain. If youre going to name countries name one that doesnt abuse chickens and create bird flu panics throughout the nation.TallTree01 said:I wish that humans were not so selfish a as to have to mutate and warp a fish for their own grotesque financial benefits. Thankfully they're banned in Australia.
Hate to say it but you have organizations with over $100k/yr funding due to your countries animal cruetly problems.
No one murdered the fish here or put them in toxic bath.
Ask these guys why.TallTree01 said:I'm not sure entirely what they're used to test but I've heard toxins and radiation in waterways. Surely there is a more humane way to test for these than using live animals.
http
/www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/animal_experimentation.phpMore than six million animals are used annually in research and teaching in Australia and New Zealand. Many (but not all) those animals are subjected to some degree of pain and/or stress during the experimental procedure or as a result of the environment in which they are kept prior to and/or after the procedures. Australia does not yet publish national animal research and teaching statistics, but most States now gather them and publish them separately. See the statistics at Humane Research Australia.
TallTree01
Coo, Man
This does not change my mind regarding the use of Animals for Testing. Animals should not be used for testing. Simple as that IMHO.draxis said:They were not intended to be a financial gain. If youre going to name countries name one that doesnt abuse chickens and create bird flu panics throughout the nation.I wish that humans were not so selfish a as to have to mutate and warp a fish for their own grotesque financial benefits. Thankfully they're banned in Australia.
Hate to say it but you have organizations with over $100k/yr funding due to your countries animal cruetly problems.
No one murdered the fish here or put them in toxic bath.Ask these guys why.httpTallTree01 said:I'm not sure entirely what they're used to test but I've heard toxins and radiation in waterways. Surely there is a more humane way to test for these than using live animals.
More than six million animals are used annually in research and teaching in Australia and New Zealand. Many (but not all) those animals are subjected to some degree of pain and/or stress during the experimental procedure or as a result of the environment in which they are kept prior to and/or after the procedures. Australia does not yet publish national animal research and teaching statistics, but most States now gather them and publish them separately. See the statistics at Humane Research Australia.
kevingrods
Fish Fanatic
I personally like the GLO FISH because I was originally going to start my jelly fish tank back up from years ago and call it a day. One salt water tank, 16 gallon biorb- which I had previously kept jellyfish for 2 years successfully. I bought that tank when owning a moon jellyfish was unheard of as a pet. That was my very first fish and tank.
Snooping around the Pet store I learned that there was a new fish that had jelly fish DNA infused into their cells. I found this rather interesting and instead of moving forward with the jelly fish right away, I did further research on the Glo fish. I found out the creators or scientist behind the fish were tracking pollutions that were giving off by environmental toxins and the end result caused the fish to glow when the toxin was detected amongst the fish. I further believe that they have used the Glo fish to track certain migration patterns amongst other particular fish. The glow itself has helped the scientist gather the data they needed and be able to monitor the certain environmental toxin they were tracking.
The glowing aspect did not sell me on the fish, it was the Jellyfish DNA aspect which caused the glow that did however, This had me interested to the point were I decided to hold off on my jellyfish tank and turn that into my very first Freshwater tank, a 16 gallon Biorb. I soon purchased over a period of time 8 glow fish and kept them in the biorb. Being a Glo fish tetra owner, i can tell you they are very hearty fish and deal with rather, well hate put it, harsh environments that could be caused by non experienced fish owner. To this day I have been overall extremely impressed with this fish. They seem to have a bit of personality to them which is nice, and being new to the hobby, I am certain that it was this particular fish overall, that has lead me to become way more involved and learn much more than I originally anticipated about anything involving fish.
I personally think its a good way to introduce people into the hobby at a lower level, possibly kids, even young adults like myself and I must admit quite an eye catcher at a pet store. Younger fish enthusiast especially children with the "glowing" aspect helps get them involved learning at an early age about a fish, a tank, and soon having a fish as a pet/new hobby. Possibly the start of becoming a true fish enthusiast! Granted YES there may be much heartier or better choices of a starter fish, but this was the fish that drew myself into the hobby and they are still the fish I hold. To date, I do like the Glofish. However it is not my favorite fish, but I have now learned the type of fish or fishes I would like to own in the future and this particular fish alone has caused quite an overall interest to myself towards the hobby.
I came across the TFF site the day I bought the Glo fish, because he was bouncing around at the bottom of the tank and you guys helped me sort that issue out and move on and hes still doing well. Now around 3 months later- I believe I currently have 5 running freshwater aquariums, around 3 or 4 tanks just hanging around that I plan on starting up, and I have became quite the popular guy at the fish store. That being said the Glo fish itself does reproduce other Glo fish! and they are indeed never harmed in the process because it all starts with the genes and some jelly fish DNA.
I do however disagree with the fish that have been injected by needles and go through a very cruel process which should be immediately banned were they stick hundreds of needles and florescent ink into fish in the hopes of these fish turning colors a so called "Painted Fish" and in this process they kill 90 percent of the fish they inject and this method is cruel and should be banned all over the world. They also dye the fish and stain the fish which is very painful to the fish. Every fish this is done to, 90 percent die and the ones that survive are tortured in the process. It is extremely painful and a rather sick process. I do not support any fish store that holds/sells/distributes these PAINTED fish period that have been injected, dyed, or stained. You also do not want to be near me when I come across a store that does.
I myself have purchased two of these fish (one tetra, and one indian glass head) from a rather respected fish store near me, not knowing or I seemed to believed they were a form of a glow fish. I called the fish store immediately once I have discovered indeed what they sold me and asked about these fish. I then shared my thoughts and told them to never have this fish ever and never to purchase this fish for their store again. I also told them If i see, hear, or promoting or selling this injected, dye, stained fish what they called a "painted fish" to any customers they will have to deal with me. Believe me when I tell you, they do not carry or support this trade and cruel method to the fish any longer. This fish does not exist in the store period now and it never will. As a matter of fact, Any fish store I ever go to or happen to be in, maybe even by mistake and see a painted fish. I personally end the sale of that fish "painted fish or whatever their calling it that second of that day and I make it clear they should reconsider buying anymore painted fish to sell to new customers looking to get into the hobby. I go to plenty of fish stores in New Jersey now, were i live to buy products and this type of painted fish has seemed to vanished very quickly since I became involved in the hobby.
Some of my friends believe the sale of the painted fish in most stores of NJ at least within a 45 mile radius of my house has come to a dwindling end. My friends also seem to believe it's because Some of the fish store owners have heard rumors about a rather Large man that seems to become very upset, rather quickly, when he sees any signs of a painted fish in a store. They could be right, they could be wrong, I don't care. I can't have future fish owners, especially children learning about indeed what they have purchased as a pet by mistake.
I think Glo fish have been associated with this type of process of injection or dying or staining which is very painful to the fish but in reality, the Glo fish itself is in never any type of pain. In the Glo fishes mind, he is just a normal fish, that wants some buddies to hang out with, and decent water quality. I also believe the Glo fish has helped reduce the amount of painted fish being sold around the country. I think it's wonderful and hopefully one day id hope the painted fish will not exist anywhere.
So to answer the question. Yes I agree with Glo Fish.
Snooping around the Pet store I learned that there was a new fish that had jelly fish DNA infused into their cells. I found this rather interesting and instead of moving forward with the jelly fish right away, I did further research on the Glo fish. I found out the creators or scientist behind the fish were tracking pollutions that were giving off by environmental toxins and the end result caused the fish to glow when the toxin was detected amongst the fish. I further believe that they have used the Glo fish to track certain migration patterns amongst other particular fish. The glow itself has helped the scientist gather the data they needed and be able to monitor the certain environmental toxin they were tracking.
The glowing aspect did not sell me on the fish, it was the Jellyfish DNA aspect which caused the glow that did however, This had me interested to the point were I decided to hold off on my jellyfish tank and turn that into my very first Freshwater tank, a 16 gallon Biorb. I soon purchased over a period of time 8 glow fish and kept them in the biorb. Being a Glo fish tetra owner, i can tell you they are very hearty fish and deal with rather, well hate put it, harsh environments that could be caused by non experienced fish owner. To this day I have been overall extremely impressed with this fish. They seem to have a bit of personality to them which is nice, and being new to the hobby, I am certain that it was this particular fish overall, that has lead me to become way more involved and learn much more than I originally anticipated about anything involving fish.
I personally think its a good way to introduce people into the hobby at a lower level, possibly kids, even young adults like myself and I must admit quite an eye catcher at a pet store. Younger fish enthusiast especially children with the "glowing" aspect helps get them involved learning at an early age about a fish, a tank, and soon having a fish as a pet/new hobby. Possibly the start of becoming a true fish enthusiast! Granted YES there may be much heartier or better choices of a starter fish, but this was the fish that drew myself into the hobby and they are still the fish I hold. To date, I do like the Glofish. However it is not my favorite fish, but I have now learned the type of fish or fishes I would like to own in the future and this particular fish alone has caused quite an overall interest to myself towards the hobby.
I came across the TFF site the day I bought the Glo fish, because he was bouncing around at the bottom of the tank and you guys helped me sort that issue out and move on and hes still doing well. Now around 3 months later- I believe I currently have 5 running freshwater aquariums, around 3 or 4 tanks just hanging around that I plan on starting up, and I have became quite the popular guy at the fish store. That being said the Glo fish itself does reproduce other Glo fish! and they are indeed never harmed in the process because it all starts with the genes and some jelly fish DNA.
I do however disagree with the fish that have been injected by needles and go through a very cruel process which should be immediately banned were they stick hundreds of needles and florescent ink into fish in the hopes of these fish turning colors a so called "Painted Fish" and in this process they kill 90 percent of the fish they inject and this method is cruel and should be banned all over the world. They also dye the fish and stain the fish which is very painful to the fish. Every fish this is done to, 90 percent die and the ones that survive are tortured in the process. It is extremely painful and a rather sick process. I do not support any fish store that holds/sells/distributes these PAINTED fish period that have been injected, dyed, or stained. You also do not want to be near me when I come across a store that does.
I myself have purchased two of these fish (one tetra, and one indian glass head) from a rather respected fish store near me, not knowing or I seemed to believed they were a form of a glow fish. I called the fish store immediately once I have discovered indeed what they sold me and asked about these fish. I then shared my thoughts and told them to never have this fish ever and never to purchase this fish for their store again. I also told them If i see, hear, or promoting or selling this injected, dye, stained fish what they called a "painted fish" to any customers they will have to deal with me. Believe me when I tell you, they do not carry or support this trade and cruel method to the fish any longer. This fish does not exist in the store period now and it never will. As a matter of fact, Any fish store I ever go to or happen to be in, maybe even by mistake and see a painted fish. I personally end the sale of that fish "painted fish or whatever their calling it that second of that day and I make it clear they should reconsider buying anymore painted fish to sell to new customers looking to get into the hobby. I go to plenty of fish stores in New Jersey now, were i live to buy products and this type of painted fish has seemed to vanished very quickly since I became involved in the hobby.
Some of my friends believe the sale of the painted fish in most stores of NJ at least within a 45 mile radius of my house has come to a dwindling end. My friends also seem to believe it's because Some of the fish store owners have heard rumors about a rather Large man that seems to become very upset, rather quickly, when he sees any signs of a painted fish in a store. They could be right, they could be wrong, I don't care. I can't have future fish owners, especially children learning about indeed what they have purchased as a pet by mistake.
I think Glo fish have been associated with this type of process of injection or dying or staining which is very painful to the fish but in reality, the Glo fish itself is in never any type of pain. In the Glo fishes mind, he is just a normal fish, that wants some buddies to hang out with, and decent water quality. I also believe the Glo fish has helped reduce the amount of painted fish being sold around the country. I think it's wonderful and hopefully one day id hope the painted fish will not exist anywhere.
So to answer the question. Yes I agree with Glo Fish.
-FighterFishh
Fish Herder
Personally, I don't really have a problem with them.
Saying that they're an 'abomination' because they're genetically modified seems a bit silly to me. Lots of the food that we eat these days could be genetically modified, whether it's crops or meat. As long as the genes that have been added to the animal don't affect it's quality of life then I think it's okay.
Of course there's a limit to how far it can go, but making them glow isn't that awful.
What's worse is the people who buy them and treat them badly. As plenty of people have already said, I think there's more of a fault with the marketing of them as opposed to the fish themselves.
Saying that they're an 'abomination' because they're genetically modified seems a bit silly to me. Lots of the food that we eat these days could be genetically modified, whether it's crops or meat. As long as the genes that have been added to the animal don't affect it's quality of life then I think it's okay.
Of course there's a limit to how far it can go, but making them glow isn't that awful.
What's worse is the people who buy them and treat them badly. As plenty of people have already said, I think there's more of a fault with the marketing of them as opposed to the fish themselves.
Personally, I don't really have a problem with them.
Saying that they're an 'abomination' because they're genetically modified seems a bit silly to me. Lots of the food that we eat these days could be genetically modified, whether it's crops or meat. As long as the genes that have been added to the animal don't affect it's quality of life then I think it's okay.
Of course there's a limit to how far it can go, but making them glow isn't that awful.
What's worse is the people who buy them and treat them badly. As plenty of people have already said, I think there's more of a fault with the marketing of them as opposed to the fish themselves.[/quote
Well said. Like their image of 50 in a 2 gallon
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