Do I Need A Air Pump?

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hi everyone, just wanted to introduce myself first off. But now onto my question i just started my first fish tank last night 20 gal. long i got a 30gal. filter, gravel, tap water with water conditioner and nitrifying bacteria additive, and last but not least 4 zebra danio's. Now onto my question 3 of the four fish swim around with there noses out of the water is there something wrong with them. what my un educated guess was is that they needed air. so do i need to instal an air pump would this eliminate the problem
 
Sadly the shop's have told you some bad things.

Even when adding bacteria it still takes 10-12 days for the bacteria to thrive just as it's all new. Also you should not add fish that fast.
Most shops do say thins as it often results in problem and hopefully your go back to them, only to be sold more stuff, for them to make more money.

About the oxygen levels, if your filter is making the surface water ripple, then this is better than any extra aeration. Physical bubbles do not add much oxygen unless you tank is over half a meter high!!
 
hi and :hi: mate

you dont nessesrally need an air pump in every single tank (although it is best to) as long as you have plenty of surface agitation to get the oxygen into the water. an iar pump i think is the way to go here
 
i threw my air pump in for like a minute but realised after what you guys said it unnessisary so took it out plus my filter is pretty strong so it make some good ripples in the water and bubbles but back to why my fish are swiming with there noses out of the water why are they doing this
 
As you know from your sig, you are currently fish-in cycling, which is why the first are behaving that way.

You could return them and go the fishless route, which would be the easiest way, and also the kindest to your fish. Failing that, you can go fish-in cycling, but theres no gurantee the fish will survive and you're looking at probably 3 or 4 large water changes every day for the next 3 or 4 weeks.

In either case an air pump wont really help at the minute.

Can you advise us of your intentions on which route you are going to go? That way we can be more specific about what you will need to do :)
 
It's bassicaly due to it being a new tank and not being fully cycled.
Ammonia will be rocketing currently as fish are in their and this will be affecting the gills and your possibly end up with then suffocating from this problem.

You need to do 20-3% water changes to help remove these toxins until the tank has cycles fully
 
Hi dirtbiker and Welcome to TFF!

As we've said in several threads lately, the LFS is just like the lumberyard, you just go there to pick up wood - they won't teach you to be a carpenter! They'll never tell you that the filter you bought is just a kit. Its meant to be given a couple of months (!) of rather tedious work prior to it being ready to handle any fish at all.

When fish move water past their gills, they give off ammonia (NH3) as well as CO2. Fish waste, excess fishfood and plant debris also combine to break down into ammonia. Ammonia, in even tiny amounts, causes permanent damage to fish gills, causing a shortened life or death. In nature, the ammonia is carried immmediately away from the gills by millions of gallons of fresh water. In the aquarium we have an amazing machine, the biofilter, to clean the ammonia out of the water, but the way it works is that a large colony of live bacteria (the bacterial species is Nitrosomonas) attach themselves to porous media in the filter and they -eat- the ammonia! It can take up to two months or so to grow a sufficient colony of these little beasts. If your fish don't have their little bacteria friends in that working biofilter, they are like people locked in a garage with some running dirtbikes, they're desparately searching for airholes so as not to breath the carbon monoxide (ammonia, in the little fishies case!)

About now you're thinking: "Oh, that's why they sold me the bottle of bacteria!" but unfortunately that's a sham. The bacteria won't have lived past a day in the closed bottle and its sold because beginners only vaguely know there's "something important about bacteria and fish tanks" or such. The painful truth is that the beneficial bacteria are very, very slow growing and must be the correct ones and well established before the magic of the biofilter will work.

I'd like to note also that the biofilter is even more interesting than just the ammonia part. The ammonia eating bacteria (or ammonia oxidizing bacteria.. we call them "A-Bacs" for short) process the ammonia (NH3) and produce nitrite(NO2) which, unfortunately, is -also- a deadly poison for the fish! Amazingly, there's yet another species of bacteria (Nitrospira) that like to grow in the same places as the "A-Bacs" and they like to eat nitrite(NO2)! What these Nitrospira (also called Nitrite oxidizing bacteria or "N-Bacs" for short) do is eat the nitrite(NO2) and produce nitrate(NO3) which is not great for fish but is much, much less toxic and can be removed with a weekly water change!

OK! So there's this miraculous device, called the "biofilter" out there that's been used by aquarists for over a hundred years but yours isn't working yet! What to do?

Its ok, we get lots of people in this state of affairs every week. You are in what's called a "Fish-In Cycling Situation" and there's no guarantee that we can save the lives of your fish or that they will live long after this but we can try to give you the best info possible to hopefully turn the situation around: What you need to do is perform some large (50-70%) water changes where you remove that water using a gravel-cleaner-siphon (gravel cleaning as you go) and then replace the water with tap water that's been conditioned (to remove chlorine/chloramine) and roughly temperature matched (your hand is good enough for this.) You can repeat this procedure as soon as one hour after the previous time and it may take two or three water changes before your fish will begin to behave more normally.

Meanwhile you need to be getting your hands on a good water testing kit if you don't already have one. The paper strips are useless. Many of us like and use the API Freshwater Master Test Kit or the Nutrafin Mini-Master Test Kit. Once you get this kit report back here and the members can help you use this kit to be a detective and see whether you really need so many water changes or not. There's an article on the Fish-In Cycling technique in the Beginner's Resource Center.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Thanks alot right now the fish are slowly improving i have been doing small water changes because honestly im scared of sucking up the fish with the vac
 
well im a little upset iv done like 4 50% water changes and nothing there barley hanging in there but if they kick the bucket which im really hoping they dont but if they do i will start the fishless cycle
 

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