DISCUS ? Genral infomation

[nc_nutcase]

I recently met a local Discus breeder who keeps all his adult breeding pairs in 29 G aquariums. He has approx 6 breeding pairs and none of them are any where near 12 inches. His are between 6 and 8.

No I’ve not kept Discus, but yes I’ve been to his fish room and he was ‘schooling’ my girlfriend on them as she wants to start a Discus / Ram tank…

Also… WRS didn’t ‘advise’ anyone to do anything… he simply paraphrased an expert, which is a very respectable way to offer advise. Not sure if it ever crossed your mind CFC, but you can offer input without being an ass.

 

[CFC]

Not sure if has ever crossed your mind but you could mind your own business and not post in threads unless you have something constructive to say.

WRS was saying that a newbie could happilly keep 5 to 6 Discus in a 3 foot long tank which is just plain wrong, he then went on to say they can be kept with neon tetras which is again completely wrong. This isnt the first time WRS has given bad advise and it isnt the first time ive had to warn him about it. People should not give advise on fish that they have not kept or dont actually know anything about, you never see me give advise in the livebearers, gouramis or bettas sections do you?

My nearest LFS had a display tank with 6 Discus (pigeon bloods and blue turqs) of which the two largest males were easily 10 to 12 inches in height, these fish were over 10 years old and had grown to their full potential thanks to expert care and the fact that they had been in a 200+ gallon tank since they were juviniles. Breeders fish are usually smaller than show fish as they are kept in cramped conditions and lose a lot of the nutrients they take in to the breeding process, this also generally makes them shorter lived. Unfortunately time has taken its toll and now all but two of the original females have died otherwise i would be happy to try and get a photo..

 

[Ben]

....Not sure if it ever crossed your mind CFC, but you can offer input without being an ass.

calling a mod(probably super mod, or masked with admin CP option) an ass?
not a good idea buddy

Discus should be kept in a 60+ gallon tank for a nice school, maybe you could get off with a 55 but that its. nothing less. nothing.
when i look at my 3 foot, roughly the size you guys are talking about, i laugh and cant even begin to imagine the problems that would happen if i kept 5/6 discus in there.

you would do water changes more times then you use this forum.....

they do grow up to be 12 inches and as all cichlids, get territorial.
there is a difference between aggresive and territorial.
their tank should be 18 inches high since they are very deep in length.

Nc - breeders are a tottaly different story to just plain old discus keepers.(as CFC said). breeders keep discus for...well, just for breeding. they do meet their needs at first but once they get them into a pair, they will put them in a smaller tank and they will live a shortned life because of that. but the breeder gets more money for what he payed because he sells all the fry(babies).
If you're a newbie/keeper at discus, you have no purpose except keeping them and keeping them healthy so a 60-70 gallon should be used for a school of around 5, and upgraded to around 150, once the fish get large. So breeders are different to keepers

DD

 

[wrs]

CFC, when did you ever have to warn me about information I gave out? I said that the neons were a mistake, did I not, but i said what Jack Watley told a person in an artical that asked about discus keeping.

If you have an issue with that I would appreciate you being a bit less harsh with your correction, and not getting mad at me about it but contacting Jack Watley and telling him that his info is incorrect and misleading people.

and i never said 5-6, I said 4-5.

and you didnt originally say 12 inches high, I believed that people thought 12 inches long.

 

[CFC]

I dont remember the exact topic or post but i do remember having to ask you not to give out what was false information about a fish you had no personal experience of, maybe i should start keeping records of dates and names since people always seem to get defensive and deny any previous wrong doing.

Jack Wattley was a pioneer of discus keeping and it is mainly thanks to him and a handfull of other discus keepers that we have the hardier, larger and more attractive coloured discus in the hobby today rather than the delicate wild brown and green discus of years ago, are you aware that all the discus in the trade today are hybrids of two Symphosydon species which are proven to grow larger than either of their parent wild species?
But time changes everything and much of what they originally wrote is now considered to be out of date and has been superceeded by better more accurate information, remember it was only 10 years ago that undergravel filters were considered to be the peek of aquarium filtration technology. A lot of what was written years ago is now laughed at by modern fish keepers as we learn and discover more about the fish we keep, just look how many species were considered impossible to breed in the home aquarium 10 years ago and yet are now bred routinely by fish keepers all over the world.

 

[wrs]

actually this information was in a magazine that was like the March-May edition of this year.

I guess then he is like Janice Dickinson, where she is stuck in the way models modled in the 70's and doesnt accept new ways, like he is still stuck in the original discus day, huh?

Thats a shame that the magazine lets him give out that info.

 

[nc_nutcase]

I call it as I see it and am not in the least intimidated by the mod title.

Also, if you read my post instead of just rebutting, I didn’t agree nor disagree about his advice, I complimented his approach (paraphrasing an expert) and criticized yours (overreacting and publicly chastising). As far as ‘minding my own business’… I am… this is a public forum of which I am a member. Also pointing out someone’s flaws is “constructive“, unless they are too ignorant to listen. This isn’t the first time I’ve had to warn you about being an ass either, but last time I had the dignity to do so in a PM (which is the way you should have dealt with WRS if you saw flaw in his posting).

remember it was only 10 years ago that undergravel filters were considered to be the peek of aquarium filtration technology

This is misinformation and you should be careful about giving out misinformation. I hear the hosts here don’t tolerate it. 20 Years ago when I got into fish keeping HOB filters were the cutting edge because everyone knew that under gravel filters couldn’t keep up with the waste produced by larger fish/Cichlids.

I apologize to anyone who had to read this when you simply wanted to learn/read about Discus. No apologies for my words though, as they are not flawed

Have a great day!

 

[bengals]

Well said nc

Have a good day

 

[Peter Lovett]

In many things there are two schools of thought and both can be equally valid under some circumstances. I send alot of my time advising people on how to keep dwarfs. The advise I give I know, will work 99% of the time. But there is still that 1%.

My final word on cichlids is any advise given should be taken as a guild and not as a rule and if you stick to the guilds given you stand a much better chance in enjoying your fish instead of killing them.

 

[digital_run]

Personally i don't think you can give advise about fish if you've never kept them before....Reading an article is one thing...But keeping a fish is totally different.

Don't give adivse to someone when you really have no idea yourself.

Ðigital

 

[CFC]

This isn’t the first time I’ve had to warn you about being an ass either, but last time I had the dignity to do so in a PM (which is the way you should have dealt with WRS if you saw flaw in his posting).

I dont know who the hell you think you are but that just earnt you a months suspension from posting rights, have a nice time using the forum on read only

 

[Ben]

i knew i was right

calling a mod and "ass" is not a very good idea

why not close this topic now?

DD

 

[CFC]

The post can stay open as i personally dont believe the actions of one trouble maker should have an affect on all the good members.

 

[bengals]

What a misuse of power!!! Hate it!!

It was YOU CFC who was rude and arrogant! Not him. He should not be suspended at all.

Who says you cannot comment on things unless you have not tried them. It is perfectly normal to quote an expert about things, happens everywhere in life. Otherwise only professional football players could talk about professional football?? Only polititians can comment on politics? Where is the fun in that.

Basically what I think NC is trying to say is that it is possible to talk about things without being rude and arrogant.

Maybe CFC is right but he can be so without being so damn rude!

And what is extremely rude is when a moderator uses his power to suspend a member because he showed him a lesson! It shows how small a person that moderator really is. I dont think NC cares anyway being suspended by a such an ass...

As NC would say.....

Have a GREAT day!!!

 

[CFC]

What a extraodinary coinsidence that a member with just 7 posts suddenly comes into post playing the moral avenger sticking up for a member that the moderating staff have had trouble with before just after he calls a moderator a "ass" for the second time in a thread.
The only time i have ever had coraspondence with nc nutcase (screen name fits the character) is when he PM'd me complaining about another respected member of the moderating team, where i promptly told him to get the flea out of his butt and quit complaining or ship out, to which he took great offence, this is where he is reffering to when he claims he has "warned me about being a ass" before

Please show me where i was rude before mr nutcase came wading in giving his unnessesary opinion, until this point

Not sure if it ever crossed your mind CFC, but you can offer input without being an ass.

the thread had remained civil with no name calling and just a verbal ticking off for giving out bad advise. At this point

This isn’t the first time I’ve had to warn you about being an ass either

is when i "abused" my powers and suspended his posting rights, which i am well within my rights to do so under rules 1 and 6 http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?act=boardrules

Some people may well accuse me of arrogance, hell i'll even admit to it, but i wonder if the same people would rather i sat back and let teenagers who are relative newbies to the hobby dish out incorrect advise without any correction?