Dgiv?

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Hey all, I posted in Gourami section that one of my dwarfs has what looks like a possible scab on its head, only a small bit, but literally looks like brown dead scales, like a human scab, I have also noticed him occasionly just lurking at the back behind the filter, and the heater, Germ mentioned it could be DGIV, which I have no idea what that is, any other ideas? and what should I do?

My fry tank 6gal has 3 cory and 2 molly fry in it, so I would have to move them all over if I was to quarantine this gourami chap.

Thanks all

Stu

 

[-germ-]

DGIV is a species specific virus, that is often fatal (90% mortality) and incurable (or commonly accepted as such).....

The symptoms of it are similar to those commonly associated with bacterial illness, another common symptom is scabbing, or eroded patches on the head/body (similar to Hexamitiasis/Hole In The Head).
It is an infectious spleen and kidney necrosis virus, most commonly related to fish imported from Singapore.
With infection rates as high as 22% in the Australian aquatic trade.

Reference/source links;
http/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?D..._RVAbstractPlus
http/www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/...m.php?news=1139
http/cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18054341

Edit; Scientists have also experimented with contaminating different fish with different iridoviruses; african lampeyes, murray cod, dwarf gourami and some cichlids. They have all proved equally destructive, i'm not sure if this insinuates that Iridovirus can be passed inter-species but IMHO why risk it anyway?

Basically even though your fish may not have DGIV, or even any serious illness, with DGIV being infectious and fatal, your Dwarf is best off out of the tank until further symptoms are shown and you can accurately identify the problem.

 

[stucolls]

WOW!!! sounds v nasty

So.....dilemma, my corys will be fine moving back to main tank, but do you think my 2 baby mollies will be? they are 13 days old?

I dont really wanna risk losing them but I guess getting the gourami out is more serious as he may infect the rest?

thanks germ

 

[-germ-]

Couldn't you get a dirt cheap plastic tank for the babies?
They sell them at my LFS for about £20...

 

[*Fishkies*]

I wouldn't chance moving the babies back yet, especially if you want to keep them. A platic rubbermaid like container works well too.

Sorry to hear about your gourami with this problem. Are you sure that he does not have burns from anything like ammonia is to high or other water parameters?

 

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My liquid test kit has not arrived yet I only have the 5 in 1 test strips but everyone else seems fine and all my parameters are ok on the strip??

I could get a small plastic goldfish type tank off ebay (its the only place i have sopme funds) but id need filters etc for the babies wouldnt I??

oh bugger (

 

[*Fishkies*]

You could make a cheap sponge filter. There's an idea of how to do it down in the Hardware and Do-It-Yourself Section. Also as long as you do water changes everyday in the fry tank you really don't need a filter, as fry can't produce much waste. You could get away with just providing some simple air movement in the tank it would work.

 

[-germ-]

How about a breeding trap in the non-dwarf gourami tank?

 

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of course yes what an idiot!! lol breeding trap in the main tank it is, corys back to main tank too and dwarf in the fry tank!!

should I move just the infected one or both?

heck out my lfs to see what their return policy is

 

[-germ-]

Personally, i'd remove them both.
In my opinion; on the off chance it is DGIV, i'd keep the fish until you can tell what the illness is. I wouldn't risk returning the fish to an LFS (sorry i don't know how good yours is) who may prove irresponsible and risk contaminating other populations.
If it is DGIV i'd probably euthanise them and dispose of the bodies responsibly.
In additon you don't know what they have and this may all be something over nothing, it could just be a physical injury.....
Just keep a close eye on them and maybe mention this to the LFS (don't cry DGIV, as i have done ) but mention it and stay in contact with them. I'm sure if they are importing/receiving infected fish, they'll realise you are doing them a favour.
Maybe check where they get their gourami from as well....

 

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ok will do, thanks alot germ, very helpful

Stu