Curing Base Rock

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i plan to create my own base rock using the aragocrete method..and i need to know how to cure it.

i remember seeing a live rock dealer online that explained their method of curing their rock..this is what i can recall

put the rocks in a large plastic tub and fill it up using seawater straight from the ocean. run a protein skimmer and have good water circulation. do water changes every couple of days using seawater from the ocean.

how does this sound to you? keep in mind this is for base rock with no type of growth on it whatsoever. what about lighting? use oceanwater???
 
To first 'crue' it you need to let all the salt dissolve and the cement to cure (some take 100 years to fully dry) This is done on a vat of some sort with re-miniralised RO (pH 7) water. This will take about 6-8 weeks.

Keep testing the pH of the water b/c as the cement cures it will make the pH rise. As this happens you need to do 50% water changes. When the pH has stoped rising then you can change the water for salt water. for about 2 weeksI would ues old tank water (saved from the WC's) This will help to seed the new rock. You don't NEED a skimmer on it just some powerheads, but can if you want. You rock should be ready for use by then.
 
ok after the cement is done curing, wouldnt it be more beneficial to use water straight from the ocean since it is already teaming with life? the ocean is a ten minute drive from where i live..
 
ok after the cement is done curing, wouldnt it be more beneficial to use water straight from the ocean since it is already teaming with life? the ocean is a ten minute drive from where i live..

Actually no. "Curing" has different meanings in this instance. When we use "Curing" to refer to the process of converting dead base rock to live rock, the process involves allowing life to grow on the dead rock. When we say "Curing" to refer to the process of allowing the concrete in man-made live rock to set, the process involves waiting for the rock to stop leaching lime into a water column thus DRASTICALLY raising pH.

When allowing home-made LR to set, the concrete can and will release lime (carbonate and bicarbonate) at an exceptionally fast rate. The speed with which it releases this lime will often raise the pH of the water in the containing vessel clear into the 11-12 range. At that exceptionally high pH, most organisms don't exactly live, thus removing any benefit from life from natural seawater. Furthermore, if you put natural seawater in the tank that is curing the LR you will get nasty calcium carbonate deposits everwhere as the high pH will result in a precipitation of calcium and magnesium salts out of the seawater. Its pretty much a chemistry nightmare to try and allow concrete to set in seawater, you want to stick to fresh ;).

That being said there are really 3 common methods of "curing" home-made rock and allowing it to set that have any merit.

Toilet Method - If your volume of rock is relatively small and you've got one of the "old-style" 5gallon flush toilets (pretty much if it was made pre 1990), then you can stick rocks in your toilet cistern. There they will get constantly flushed with fresh clean water and is a great fire-and-forget method. Only caveats are if you have a large volume of rock you cant do it, or if your tapwater has significant copper in it dont use it. Usually takes 3-5 weeks.

Stream Method - Set the rocks in a container made of grating like an old milk crate or bottle crate that basically has mesh sides. Then sink it in a nearby stream. This method is another great fire-and-forget method. Only caveat is if the stream/river is not very clean and prone to pollution, then it might not be a good idea. Again, 3-5 weeks.

Manual Method - Setup your rocks in 5g buckets or big plastic bins and do large daily water changes. Try and keep the pH down below 10 (ie once it gets to 10 or higher do a water change) which usually involves daily changes early on, stepping down less often as the rock gets more and more cured. The advantage is that if you have pollution in a stream or copper in your tapwater, you can use RO in a clean controlled environment. Disadvantage is time and effort. Takes 4-6 weeks and lots of water changes.

In your case, the only other option I could see would be to sink crates of LR in the ocean itself but complications like tides, ocean current, high waves, authorities and other problems would prolly prevent that.
 
Only problem i forsee with the toilet method is that if you say pur 50% rock into the 5 gallon toilet cistern - would this have problems flushing "bulkier" items due to the lack of water ?

I know ours struggles with the full 5 gallons so reducing it to 2.5 gallons would be asking for floaters. :crazy:
 
Heh, depends on the quality of the flush valve :) Also some of the old style toilets here in the states have a reserve in them if you raise the float valve up a little to increase the volume
 
ok...there are many man-made canals around where i live, could i sink it in one for a few weeks to stablilize the ph?

then after the initial cure, start the seawater curing in a large plastic tub in my garage to promote growth on them before adding them to the new tank?
 
I suppose it depends how clean the water in the canals is... Do you know what chemicals are in there??? :sick:
 
no..but wouldnt post-curing the rock in seawater elminate any of the bad stuff the rock may pick up in a canal?

i also found a website about making aragocrete rocks and they suggest soaking the new rocks in vinegar for 12 hours, then they are ready to go in the tank?
 
Ah the vinegar method, a common myth with home-made LR. No amount of weak, distilled acetic acid (vinegar) can cure cement in 12 hours. Dont believe that? Think about it this way, if that were the case dont you think construction companies would be soaking building foundations in acid for 12 hours and then moving straight on to construction?

Vinegar does have merit in that it will prevent you from doing having to do water changes if added during the curing process, but it still takes a while for concrete to cure. You just can't get around that fact. As for curing in a canal, if you were prepared to do large (100%) water changes on the rock as you're trying to "live" cure it, then I might try it. Also remember, you'll want at least 1 piece of LR to "seed" properly.
 
ok ski...i keep reading things and having different questions but let me know about this one..

the recipe for aragocrete calls for 6 parts aragonite sand to 1 part portland cement, let dry for 24hrs, then soak in vinegar for 12hrs, then rinse with freshwater and they are ready for the new tank..

what if i went and bought some base rock from the lfs and used this aragocrete mix to bond them together..would this drastically reduce the amount of lime present, therefore cutting the cement curing time (skipping the vinegar and just using freshwater)?
 
Heh, well I've tried 5:1 Aragonite:Cement and found it to be too brittle. 4:1 worked better for me. If you want to buy baserock, why not just buy a little tube of reef epoxy putty to bond the rocks together. Reef-safe and no need to worry about curing time ;)
 
sounds good to me..is that a common product for an lfs to carry or should i search on ebay for it
 
Its common at most LFS' that have a lot of reef items. The 2 reef-only shops in my area have it and 2/3 mixed shops have it. If you're worried about them stocking it, just call ;)
 

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