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Our fireworks night is Halloween, we don't celebrate Guy Fawkes in N. Ireland, it was strange not having a stream of trck or treaters at our door last night. Means more sweets for me though, not that I need them..........
 

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We had trick or treaters wandering around the neighbourhood last night. I didn't answer the door. I thought it was ridiculous and dangerous considering there is a pandemic. You don't know if the people door knocking have covid or if the home owners have covid.

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Apparently Victoria on the east coast of Australia is out of lock down and are getting back on with semi normal life.

The Western Australian government is apparently going to allow people from other states into WA without quarantining them even though there are active cases in most other states. All year the WA government has been saying nobody is coming into the state until there have been no cases of covid in Australia for at least 1 month, and now they are apparently dropping the border gates and letting anyone in. It doesn't make sense considering WA is supposedly covid free for over 5 months (besides new cases coming in from overseas and they are in a government controlled quarantine facility). And we have lots of remote Aboriginal communities that are at a very high risk of dying if they catch it, and these communities are up to 1000km or more from the nearest hospital.
 

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America and the rest of the world just got this wrong. As far as I see very few countries were brave enough to do what needed to be done, NZ was one of them. Our lives are back to normal covid free. The only real change in NZ is there are no tourists, basically because no other country did what we did.

I admire your Prime Minister, Ms. Ardern, I would gladly trade Trump and a pacific island to be named later for her :) But to be fair, New Zealand is already a isolated island and was easy to cut off from the world. New Zealand also benefits by being close to Australia which is doing quite well. When arguing with my conservative relatives, I use South Korea or Japan (OK, that another island) as examples.

Unfortunately for USA residents, it has become a nightmare but hopefully things will change come Tuesday, election day.

Side note, I would take the Bikini Atoll in the trade. The article What Bikini Atoll Looks Like Today says the coral reefs are thriving with minimal human contact. I am not justify nuclear weapons, just nice to see nature win in the end.
 

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UK is an island but it didn't help us :(
Seems holidays in Europe contributed to our predicament :/
 

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I've only just seen this thread so I've jumped to the end to post my thoughts.
Is there a virus? Yes, but it's not the death sentence for the average man (or woman) that the WHO want us to believe. I also think that the flu (and I mean Influenza, not the common cold) takes more people than Covid. The UK is now about to start another lockdown on Thursday Nov 5th, but kids can stay at school. So let me get my head around this.... kids from different households can go to school, but adults must not mix households? Isn't that as senseless as cutting off your leg while buying a new pair of shoes?
You must work from home if you can. I'm a painter and decorator so unless I have really long arms, I can't work from home. However, I can't mix households so I can't decorate Mrs Smith's living room but her kids can go to the same school as my (or your) kids. :rolleyes:
Being a decorator I often use spray equipment. Even when spraying water based products I have to wear a BS rated respirator and eye protection. But somehow the "deadliest virus known to man" is halted by a piece of cloth over your mouth. And obviously this virus is so stupid it can't find its way around the unprotected areas of a visor....
Get out, enjoy yourself, live your life. You only have one and why would you want to spend it being told you can't see your friends, your family, and you can't work? Yes be careful but don't isolate yourself. It's not good for your wellbeing.
 

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I also think that the flu (and I mean Influenza, not the common cold) takes more people than Covid.
I keep seeing this but no one backs it up with figures.
In the US last year about 34,000 died, considerably down on the 61,000 the previous year.
How many have died in the US of covid-19 so far? Over a quarter of a million...........about the same as the previous 6 years of flu deaths..........
 

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I keep seeing this but no one backs it up with figures.
In the US last year about 34,000 died, considerably down on the 61,000 the previous year.
How many have died in the US of covid-19 so far? Over a quarter of a million...........about the same as the previous 6 years of flu deaths..........
But no-one dies OF Covid, only WITH it. The underlying conditions are aggravated by the Covid virus. There was a page on the gov.uk website that showed the flu deaths for the past few years. Strangely I can't find it now..........wonder why?

I'm not saying that it's not serious but it's not as bad as we are led to believe. A colleagues wife had the test and she's had Covid but she never had any symptoms whatsoever. Others have differing symptoms. I would guess that 99% of the "others" have an underlying condition.
 

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And explain the penomenen of "Long covid" to me then, people whi were fit and healthy still suffering after the damage it has done to their bod....
you know what, too many tin foil hats in this thread, time to unwatch.
OK......what's the point of explaining it if you're unwatching the thread? If you don't like others opinions perhaps you shouldn't post in such a thread? I respect your opinion but you clearly don't respect others.
And I don't wear a hat :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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But no-one dies OF Covid, only WITH it.

Which is Caribou crap. If initially infected with a large viral load, the virus could be killing millions of cells in your lungs which can kill a healthy person.

A person with an underlying conditions such as asthma could be healthy one day, dead a week later from COVID. The only difference compared to a healthy person, COVID can kill a person with asthma much easier.

One issue medical experts are telling us, the initial viral load when first infected is critical. It is basically a race between the virus and your immune system. For asymptomatic patients, their immune system won the race

Why are you 'guessing' when there is so much info on the web from medical experts?.
 

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Which is Caribou crap. If initially infected with a large viral load, the virus could be killing millions of cells in your lungs which can kill a healthy person.

A person with an underlying conditions such as asthma could be healthy one day, dead a week later from COVID. The only difference compared to a healthy person, COVID can kill a person with asthma much easier.

One issue medical experts are telling us, the initial viral load when first infected is critical. It is basically a race between the virus and your immune system. For asymptomatic patients, their immune system won the race

Why are you 'guessing' when there is so much info on the web from medical experts?.
Who's guessing? You reply to me as if I'm denying the existence of the virus, which I'm clearly not. However instead of attacking, why not answer my questions?
Why does such a deadly virus only require a face covering? Not a "specific" face covering, any old rag will do.
If a face mask is so effective, why have Asian countries been massively infected? They've been wearing masks for years.
Why, if it's soooo deadly, do you have to have a test to see if you have it / have had it?
Many people think they are fit and healthy, but a person with asthma / diabetes / heart disease etc etc isn't fully fit and healthy are they? People have died and never knew they had health issues until an autopsy was carried out.
Why have so many doctors been hushed who have spoken out against the scaremongering?
Why did Sweden impose zero lockdowns and yet the spread was miniscule?
And if you believe every word the government and the mainstream media tells you, you should start looking elsewhere for the other side of the coin.
If you have a common cold it is either a Rhinovirus or Coronavirus strain. Coronavirus has been around for donkeys years, why are we suddenly afraid of it?
And tell me, where are all these people dying? Every forum, every form of social media, even youtube, people from all areas of the country are saying their hospitals are empty. My local hospital is empty, so is the Nightingale hospital. Where are all these cases????
 

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Spalders ask:

"Why does such a deadly virus only require a face covering? Not a "specific" face covering, any old rag will do."

Actually N95 mask are the best. The virus expelled from your body in small droplet of water (or an aerosol) which can be stopped with a cloth mask.

"If a face mask is so effective, why have Asian countries been massively infected? They've been wearing masks for years."

From Worldmeter.com, yesterday China had 24 new cases, South Korea 124 and Japan had 754. The UK had 23,254 new cases.

"Why have so many doctors been hushed who have spoken out against the scaremongering?"

Tin foil hat territory. In the USA, we have freedom of speech and no doctor has been hushed.

"Coronavirus has been around for donkeys years, why are we suddenly afraid of it?"

This is a new strain which made the jump from another species, these virus tend to be very deadly to humans.

"And if you believe every word the government and the mainstream media tells you, you should start looking elsewhere for the other side of the coin."

I recommend the Nature , a well respected peer reviewed journal. Nature.com also publishes articles on their web site. If there is "other side side of the coin", Nature will publish it.
 

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I see you cherry picked the questions you answered and are still mainly your personal opinions.

In the UK we HAD free speech but everywhere I look for the gov.uk figures, they are gone or have been altered to suit.
The "tin foil hatters" you keep referring to are people who deny the virus exists and use daft words such as "plandemic" and "scamdemic". I accept there is a virus, it's just not as deadly as we are led to believe. Try bitchute. You're allowed a modicum free speech there.

Covid 19 is a new strain, so what? There are new strains of viruses mutating all the time. Hence why you never get immunity to the common cold and influenza.

Test kits have been proven to be grossly ineffective. Sheep and even fruit were testing positive. I'm a MotoGP fan and Valentino Rossi had to be tested 3 times to get a positive diagnosis. Why test 3 times if you trust the test????

The reason numbers of cases have gone up is because more people are getting tested. (Simple maths). Most who apparently have it never knew they had it until being tested.

Not everyone wears an N95 mask. Most people have the equivalent of an old pair of Y fronts on their face. You can even download a mask exemption badge from many websites with no questionnaire at all. And on that point, people who are exempt from wearing a mask are usually suffering from an illness of some kind, usually respiratory. Surely these people NEED to be wearing a mask more than you and I?

Why did Sweden have such tiny numbers when they had 0 lockdown? Herd immunity perhaps? Maybe the virus isn't all that deadly perhaps?

Nature.com will be hushed just like everything else. Doctors have posted videos on youtube and they have been removed as it doesn't fit the agenda. Websites have been taken down due to speaking against Covid. Nature.com will be the same, no ones so special to be left alone.

Why do masses of protesters not become sick with Covid apart from the odd one here and there? Are the majority of protesters immune????

Why can my child mix with your child and teachers at school, (3 households there, not counting the other 100's of kids and teachers) yet you and I can't meet up as it's mixing households? That's the biggie for me, utter stupidity.

Why are the Nightingale and most hospitals across the UK empty? Where are all these people dying?

I have been working in a school where I was building a desk for a staff member. I was literally working inches away from her for four days. Two days after I completed the work she had a cough and temperature and tested positive for Covid. I had to have a test and I have nothing at all. It's so deadly and contagious that....errr......I didn't get it.
Working the places I do I've been sneezed on, coughed on, shared mugs and biscuits with others, all without masks worn by them or I. We've all been working together for weeks on end and we are all fine. Our families are fine. That's how contagious it is.

I could go on and on and on, but I won't. Clearly many people here believe it's a killer and I respect that. But people also have to respect that we don't all believe they hype and exaggeration. I wear my slave muzzle in shops etc out of respect for others but it's removed the second I step outside.

Here's another thought. Here in the UK we are closing gyms, bars, restaurants, pubs etc. But not workplaces, schools, universities etc. So basically you can go do your daily drudge but you can't go out and enjoy yourself. If you treated your wife that way it would be classed as mental abuse.
 

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You don't want to get this thing, and only when someone close to you dies, with it, from it, then you will take it seriously. This is the problem with civil liberties. But when you are dying, you want someone else to risk their lives to save yours.
 

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You don't want to get this thing, and only when someone close to you dies, with it, from it, then you will take it seriously. This is the problem with civil liberties. But when you are dying, you want someone else to risk their lives to save yours.
As I said, I'm not saying the virus isn't there or real. I'm saying that for 99% of people it's not a death sentence.
I admire the NHS (they've opened me up and fixed me more times than I care to remember) and I wouldn't say a word against their work, especially during the worst times. However, some of my points cannot be denied. If it were so contagious why do I not have it, and all these thousands of protesters? We can't all be immune can we?
When people say you get Covid from 5G...utter drivel. I'm not quite that daft. But the next time you have a common cold just remember it's a new strain of either rhino or coronavirus.
 
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