Confused/concerned About Stocking My Tank

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Hi sorry if this is in the wrong section I am new here, I've been doing some research into what I can stock my tank with and it's really overwhelming/confusing me.
 
I've never kept fish before but my husband bought me a 64L tank and the first thing I've done is get up to scratch on how cycling a tank works but now I'm trying to decide what to actually keep in the tank and I see a lot of conflicting information on the internet.
 
My tank is 64L (71.8 x 59 x 44.6 cm I think) and I like the idea of a group of kuhli loaches or preferably a group of otocinclus. I'm not sure if either of these species would be sutiable for my tank though because I've been reading a lot of conflicting information on tank sizes..
 
I'm mostly worried about overstocking and that the fish have an ideal amount of space.
 
TLDR: Would kuhli loaches or a group of otocinclus be suited for a 64L tank? If not I'm very open to other ideas!
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Welcome to TFF.
 
To your question...solely from the perspective of fish mass to water volume, either otos or kuhlii loaches will work.  But there are many other factors in deciding which fish for a tank, and as you admit to being new to this, I will try to explain it without too much data.
 
Fish size (mass) is obviously very important, but one also has to consider the species.  Many are shoaling (sometimes called schooling though technically this is more marine fish than freshwater fish behaviours) which means they need a group; the number varies with the species.  There can be several reasons for fish shoaling, and the first is usually safety--safety in numbers.  Too few and the fish will be under continual stress, which weakens them and inevitably causes disease problems they would otherwise fight off, and a shorter than normal lifespan.  Some species develop a hierarchy within the group; sometimes this seems to be primarily "play" (though I always think that to the fish it is probably much more serious than what we think of as play) but some species have a determined aggressive aspect to this hierarchy, and sufficient numbers usually mean no one fish is hounded literally to death.  Studies have now proven that when the group of fish in a specific species is too small, aggression increases (for naturally semi-aggressive species) or appears (in otherwise peaceful species) and can be very pronounced.
 
Water parameters are important too.  Freshwater fish have evolved for specific habitats, and their internal physiology will only function at its best when the elements of the environment that the fish "expects" are provided.  Water hardness is key here, with pH also important, and temperature.  The internal metabolism of fish is directly governed by temperature, with greater consequences for fish than for cold blooded land animals.  The aquascape enters this, as it is a major part of the environment in which the fish is designed/intended to function.
 
The other species in the aquarium are also important.  Fish interact, within the species and from species to species.  They send out chemical signals, pheromones to their own species, allomones to other species.  Physical aggression is not necessary to cause stress to a certain species if another non-compatible species is present.
 
The activity level of a species has to be considered; putting active swimmers in with sedate fish is not going to work.  Similarly, water current from the filter can impact fish if it is too much or too little depending upon the species as they have different needs.
 
So, with all that in mind, it would be useful to know your source water parameters, thinking hardness (GH) and pH.  The KH is also worth knowing for reasons I won't bog this down with just now.  You should be able to find these numbers on your municipal water authority's website.  It is much simpler and safer to select fish that will thrive, relatively speaking, in your water rather than attempting to adjust water parameters for fish requiring something different; this can be done, but it is not usually easy and can create considerable problems.
 
Second, it would help to know if you intend more fish than just the kuhlii or otos.  Both of these are somewhat "unseen" in aquaria; I have otos in one of my eight tanks and often have to look carefully to see them.  Kuhlii loaches are well know for burying themselves in the substrate (sand is essential for these fish for this reason), and getting into the smallest hiding spots; they are somewhat nocturnal.  My thinking here is that you will likely want other fish to add some interest.  And both species are shoaling, so a smallish group is needed; I would suggest no fewer than five of either species should work fine.
 
This may get thing started.
 
Byron.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum.
 
Byron has answered you very well and I would second what he has said on stocking the tank with fish for the type of water you have - whether that be hard or soft.
 
Khuli's and Oto's are both better in soft water.
 
I mostly wanted to comment and expand on the information regarding Otocinclus - Oto's feed on algae and slime coat. Both of these things take time to build up and so I would wait at least 6 months for the tank to mature before adding oto's. Oto's are also a shoaling species and so a small group of around 6 is better for them. Bearing in mind that you'll need to provide enough algae and slime coat to feed that amount the longer you can wait to add them the better. I have found that oto's tend to be difficult to begin feeding after being moved to a new tank and so it is normal to find some don't make it. It's nothing that we do, it's just that oto's tend to be difficult to get going. Once they are feeding well, and provided you give them plenty to eat they are fantastic little fish. 
 
You can suppliment their food with some vegetables - again it can be a challenge to get them to realise this is food and so some persistence and patience is needed. I have tried getting mine to accept algae wafers but it is very rare to see mine feeding from them.
 
I would recommend that you add natural plants to this tank if you want oto's as this is where they will find the most slime coat and algae to graze on.
 
Hope that is helpful 
 
Akasha :)
 
Just to correct Akasha slightly, slime coat is what you find on the fish themselves, think what she means is the bio-film thats on all of the surfaces inside the tank and the filter.
 
Indeed otos do feed partly on this, shrimps and snails for example also do eat some bio-film..
 
Bio-film is part of what makes the tank water safe for the fish and stocking of the tank. The bio-film is what protectes the bacteria. This is a natural part of the cycling process which will need to be done if you have not done so already, Cycling Your First Fresh Water Tank.
 
yes ... the Bio-film ... sorry, brain melt. I knew what I meant 
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Ch4rlie ... do you want me to correct my post so the OP doesn't get confused and then you can delete these comments? Alternately you can correct it if you want
 
I considered doing that but this way is more educational ;)
 
If your tank is suitable for both, I'd recommend the kuhlis, far more interesting to watch IMO and although they are unlikely to help with algae control, they are great for rooting out uneaten food. Give them loads of hiding places and you will probably see them out and about a lot.
 

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