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im getting 2 bumble bee gobys tomorrow for my 15 gallon.

1.what do i feed them
2.will any of the fish in my tank(see signature)eat or attack them or vise versa



i have a extra 20 gallon and i want to get a puffer.for sale at my LFS r spotted and figure 8 puffers.

1.can they go together
2.can my 20 hold a few
3.what type of algae eater can i get.osti,chinese,plecto etc...


thank you for any info
 
Bubmlebees are brackish- at least they need to go in brackish water as they mature. The same applies to
Figure 8's as far as I remember. Not sure if they can be kept together, don't know how aggressive the figure 8s are. Spotteds are also brackish and said to be aggressive.

Bumblebees also need to be in a tank where they are not outcompeted for food- so they might have a lean time of it in your 15 gal. According to my book they need live food (including frozen, presumably), so no flakes.

There are excellent pinned topics on puffers at the top of this forum- make sure you read them through before you buy anything. I've just been up to have a look- lots of good stuff in there.
 
None of your tanks are big enough for the spotted puffer so you can rule that one out. IMO I would cycle the 20g with brackish water and go with 1 fig 8 and 2 bb gobies.
Use your 15 for something else. This way you have two of the fish you mentioned in ideal conditions and only one brackish tank to maintain!
 
I disagree. Not all bumblebee gobys are in fact brakish.
Some survive and thrive in fresh water. I have had two in fresh water and they did very well.

They can accept other forms of food other than live/blood worms, if that is what they are offered frequently enough. Its just not their prefered diet.
 
I disagree. Not all bumblebee gobys are in fact brakish.
Some survive and thrive in fresh water. I have had two in fresh water and they did very well.

They can accept other forms of food other than live/blood worms, if that is what they are offered frequently enough. Its just not their prefered diet.

It would be interesting to hear other members' opinions on this. I have no experience, but am reading up
(possible brackish tank in the future). My reading so far seems to suggest that bumblebees are found in freshwater when young but tend to move to brackish and that chances of them being healthy and living their full lifespan are greater in brackish.

Then again, you have experience and I do not. When you say not "all" bumblebees- are there different kinds, some freshwater, some brackish? And if so, is there a reliable way of telling them apart, to know what conditions you should offer any particular individual? I mean, I'd hate to buy one and bung it in the wrong tank.

Would they be ok on flakes, not only as in accepting them but as in getting their full nutritional needs? (Would certainly make life easier)
 
I disagree. Not all bumblebee gobys are in fact brakish.
Some survive and thrive in fresh water. I have had two in fresh water and they did very well.

They can accept other forms of food other than live/blood worms, if that is what they are offered frequently enough. Its just not their prefered diet.

It would be interesting to hear other members' opinions on this. I have no experience, but am reading up
(possible brackish tank in the future). My reading so far seems to suggest that bumblebees are found in freshwater when young but tend to move to brackish and that chances of them being healthy and living their full lifespan are greater in brackish.

Then again, you have experience and I do not. When you say not "all" bumblebees- are there different kinds, some freshwater, some brackish? And if so, is there a reliable way of telling them apart, to know what conditions you should offer any particular individual? I mean, I'd hate to buy one and bung it in the wrong tank.

Would they be ok on flakes, not only as in accepting them but as in getting their full nutritional needs? (Would certainly make life easier)


I keep my BBG's currently in a freshwater tank, with a view to possibly moving them into a brackish tank I have planned later in the year. They seem to be doing great right now, but obviously I cant tell what is going on internally. They do seem to be full of colour, active and feeding though, so I'm not currently concerned, but it will be interesting to note down any differences that occur in the change over!
 
i know at my lfs they were in fresh.

but ive never set up a brackish before
 
Bumblebee gobies are not particular to brackish water in the wild and they don't migrate into brackish water.

Some gobies (e.g., Awaous spp.) do migrate. Candy stripe gobies (Awaous flavus) live in fresh and lay eggs in fresh, but the fry migrate downstream to the sea and need at least strongly brackish, perhaps marine, conditions. See the report by a goby scientist, Naomi Delventhal, here:

http://gobiidae.com/breeding_awaous.htm

A useful summary of bumblebee goby maintenance and breeding is provided by Naomi Delventhal at the Yahoo Goby Group.

Finally, in the recent Aqualog book, Frank Schaefer, a fish collector, makes it very clear that these gobies are found in fresh, not brackish, water.

Having said that, adding salt probably does help in soft to neutral water conditions. It may also help with fish that are sick or stressed, either as a tonic or as a way of treating external parasites. They also seem easier to breed in brackish, though this may be more about fungal infections of the eggs than anything else. So there are good reasons to keep bumblebees in brackish, they just aren't the reasons people usually quote.

It may also depend on where they are collected. Ones collected from brackish water may well do best kept in brackish water. But there are lots of people keeping and breeding them in fresh water. On the other hand, if you want to keep them in (very slightly) brackish, with, for example, some glassfish or wrestling halfbeaks, that would work well.

Bumblebees do not accept flake food. You will need to provide them with frozen foods, e.g., lobster eggs or bloodworms, and make sure other fish leave enough for the gobies. They are otherwise easy to care for. They should survive at least a couple of years in captivity (my understanding is the maximum lifespan is around 4 years!).

Cheers,

Neale

PS. Naomi Delventhal was kind enough to help me fill out the bumblebee section of the Brackish FAQ (see link below). She keeps and breeds these fish regularly, as well as other gobies.
 
Bottom line, if you do have the brackish variety (and from what i've seen most do, at least here in the NE_USA), you can't make any fatal errors if you place them (acclimated) into a freshwater or brackish environment. They'll do fine in both -- but will thrive in their proper salinity. We're talking years versus a year lifespan, when you get the salinity correct to their type.

From what i've read, and seen with my own brackish bumblebee gobies, is that they start off in a freshwater environment and as they mature in age their habitat grows closer to the sea, till they're living in brackish water. When they breed they'll swim back, upstream towards less saline waters, and spawn. Likewise, if i decrease the salinity in my bbg's tank (slowly over time) their coloring will intensify due to my triggering their spawning mode.

They're definitely interesting creatures, where the details matter.
 

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