Bottled Bacteria.

[MBOU]

I think there will always be a question of the effectiveness of preparations because all of these concoctions have a shelf life and to my knowledge, these things aren't dated like foods

They do all have a "Use By" date stamped on the bottle somewhere if you look hard enough, all th foods and conditioners do.

I also see poster(s) here comparing bio-seeds to water conditioners which are very different.

I'll assume that was me with the BioActive Tapsafe? But thats probably because it has the benficial bacteria in it....

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All that aside, these products are guaranteed to work... if you have the same water paramaters as they did in the lab when making the product. Otherwise the company could be done for false advertising and all sorts. So no one can say it doesnt work for sure, only that it didnt work in your own tanks.

 

[The Taffy Apple]

I have been reading a fair few amount of 'newbie' posts regarding the starting of new tanks recently and what they need and when they may need it..

If you're referring to me I think it'd be wise to point out to you that a members post count or lack of has no bearing on their knowledge of this hobby, or lack of...

I was reading through that thread which was heavy on Dr T backed claims and then I came across something soybean has kind enough to point out

I notice in that thread somebody says their tank has "a reading [of] Ammonia at between .5 and 1ppm and the Nitrite is between 1 and 2ppm", to which the Dr Tim sponsor replies "the level you report are not really that toxic".

Then I closed the forum tab and made a promise never to return to it.

I can guarantee that my OP was in no way, shape or form 'referring to you'.. there are many, many posts and replies to 'newbies' regarding this issue recently, why you should find it so personal is beyond me ..
And of course.. the number of posts you may/may not have has no bearing on your knowledge what-so-ever.. how in the Lords' name would i know what your knowledge is of our hobby?

Terry.

 

[eaglesaquarium]

All that aside, these products are guaranteed to work... if you have the same water paramaters as they did in the lab when making the product. Otherwise the company could be done for false advertising and all sorts. So no one can say it doesnt work for sure, only that it didnt work in your own tanks.

To be honest, this is all that 99% of fish keepers really care about. I would suspect that most fish keepers feelings on this subject are this: "The clinical tests and such are very nice for academia and debate, but when it comes down to it, will it work for me?"


There are a lot of variables in a cycling process, some understood while others may not be. The reason that you and all your clients have so much success could be related to your particular water source. Perhaps it is just more suitable for faster multiplication. Perhaps the pH, hardness, etc. all match up nicely with the bacteria's "preference". Perhaps you live closer to the manufacturers and the bottle spends less time sitting around dormant. There are a LOT of variables. Most of these variables are completely irrelevant to a majority of keepers. They just want a product that they can use easily and reliably.

 

[Dieses Madchen]

I do not know the cost of what it would take to freeze dry the bacteria. I do know that Biozyme is the only company I have seen that does it. I have experimented with the Biozyme via fishless cycle and have seen that it does have cycling affects, but will not "instantly" cycle a tank. I have used it in my established tanks. When I purchase new fish, I add it, and I have yet to see a nitrite spike above .25 when ading 5+ fish.

I will mention that I have added 5+ fish multiple times without adding ANYTHING to my tank, and never had nitrite spike at all.


Ultimately, a mature filter can handle a 50% increase in stocking level without a problem. I've successfully added a 9 fish shoal of neons to my 55 gallon without any issue. So, depending on what the situation is, Biozyme could be doing nothing at all.

I had a slight nitrite spike when I added my cories (in between 0 and .25) so i id a water change and added the biozyme. I don't know if it worked, buti would never use it as a sole solution to a water parameter problem, until i have proven that it works 100%. I do not believe that bottled or dried bacterias are a miracle solution to problems such as this

 

[eaglesaquarium]

I had a slight nitrite spike when I added my cories (in between 0 and .25) so i id a water change and added the biozyme. I don't know if it worked, buti would never use it as a sole solution to a water parameter problem, until i have proven that it works 100%. I do not believe that bottled or dried bacterias are a miracle solution to problems such as this

There are varieties of reasons for why that might have happened, most of which I assume you are aware of. But remember, the nitrite colony generally needs to be ~3x bigger than the ammonia.

 

[Dieses Madchen]

yeppers. I don't worry about it too much. I stabalizes itself within 24 hours with the aid of a small water change