Blackghost And Oranda

[kittume84]

Hello everybody

i live in India
i am very new to this blog
its very nice so just joined
here goes my question

i have a tank size of 23.3 gallon i got filter and automatic heater

30 X 15 X 12 (inches)

in which i have 2 Black Ghost (4 to 5 inches)
2 Big orandas (red cap and black)
9 small orandas and an Angel
here its very diff to get the instrument which measures the Ph levels
But still i didnt get any problem with any of my fishes
just spotted some red spots on a oranda i did medicate and now its Ok
blackGhost are also safe
so could u plz tell
is my tank is overloaded ???
or any precautions and changes required

food
i always give sea food even blackghost is enjoying
never saw it eating any pellets or dry worms as it always prefer ground food
i have dryworms,sea food,super bio Gold and aini spirulina (i guess both r same still i got it ) and some Blood worms which i bought just today

Please give me suggestions ,precautions
Thank u
Krishna

 

[aly_starh]

Hello everybody

Welcome to the forum

i have a tank size of 23.3 gallon i got filter and automatic heater

30 X 15 X 12 (inches)

in which i have 2 Black Ghost (4 to 5 inches)
2 Big orandas (red cap and black)
9 small orandas and an Angel
here its very diff to get the instrument which measures the Ph levels
But still i didnt get any problem with any of my fishes
just spotted some red spots on a oranda i did medicate and now its Ok
blackGhost are also safe
so could u plz tell
is my tank is overloaded ???
or any precautions and changes required

The 2 Black Ghost fish- Even without the opther fish your tank is already overstocked.
11 Orandas- Cold water fish, if you did have an oranda ion that tank, you will only be allowed 1.
Angel- fine
The red marks on the fish are most likely ammonia poisinging, you tank is too overstocked.

Also a tank like that, even with gold fish will require external filtration.

 

[Curiosity101]

Long term you tank is EXTREMELY overstocked.

Short term...it looks like you're on the edge of where you will start encountering water quality issues.

I presume by Black Ghost...you mean black ghost knife fish?
If so, these fish need big tanks. They should grow to around 19" (sometimes more, sometimes a bit less), eitherways you're looking at around a 6ft tank to keep them properly to maturity.

Also, they are tropical fish, so need tropical tempratures. I understand where you live will be significantly warmer around the year than where I am. So the goldfish may be in warmer waters anyways.

But you certainly shouldn't be adding to this by putting a tank heater in with them. Technically goldfish are coldwater fish. So don't mix with tropicals.

A 23gal tank could hold 1 goldfish max long term. The general rule of thumb is 20Gal for the first, 10gal for each additional.
So for your 11, to keep them longterm they would need 120gal worth of tank just to themselves.
Also they are extremely messy fish due to how much they eat and the fact their main diet naturally is very high in plant matter. Meaning that 120gal tank, needs a filter for a 240gal tank.

Oh and finally, the tank isn't really tall enough for the angel as it grows. Volume wise (if it was only the angel in there), then 23gal would be a push, but so long as it was a tall tank it'd be ok.
Yours isn't, it's what we class as a 'long' tank...

My opinion would be that none of those fish are suitable for that tank.
I predict large water quality issues in the not too distant future.
I would suggest you buy a water test kit, you can get them from ebay...I'm presuming ebay ships to you as it tends to be international, not just england and US. So find an international seller that is selling the 'API Master Test Kit'.
It's a kit that consists of pH, Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate tests.
Ammonia and Nitrites are the most toxic things your fish can encounter and so these are the things you really need to know about, not pH.

If it were me I would re-home them before it's too late. If you don't have a kit, then you may not notice the water quality until it's too late. Ammonia poising is normally only visible once it's too late, fish start gasping for air, and very quickly die (this is because the ammonia burns their gills so they can't breath).

If you were to re-home the fish then I'm sure people would be more than happy to help you select fish much more suitable to your sized tank.

 

[kittume84]

I guess i will not get heart attack

Yes i too feel the same and its Blackghostknife fish
But this entire setup is very new

and my BlackGhostknife fish is very small its just 3 inches
so i am wondering that i can take a big tank when it grows

The joke is
i asked almost all the shop keepers they all said
its very normal
and they will stay

But now i realize with ur suggestion
and if i get problem with orandas
i will remove them coz i cant remove Blackghost

and can i keep red parrot with black ghost a single one if i removed all my gold fishes

 

[kittume84]

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[kittume84]

i Guess i am not able 2 post the pics

and Thanks for ur suggestions

 

[aly_starh]

The images are not working.

I would suggest re-homing all the fish, and if you do want to keep anything from that stock list, it would be 1 Oranda.

Please be aware, most fish shop sellers will say that stocking is fine in order to make money.

I hope that helps, and that you sort out the stocking soon, if you need any more help with the tank, just ask.

 

[kittume84]

Thanks for ur Advices
i removed BlackGhost

I am too attached with oranda
so can u tell me what precautions i need to take about it
the temp in degrees and other care
thanks

 

[aly_starh]

Unfotunately, you will only be able to keep one Oranda in a tank of that size. An external filter would be great, but internal will suffice.

This link will help you with the care of Oranda's Click Here