Betta Dying? Getting Worse?

[dorecs]

Hi,
Betta is just floating at top of tank away from the currents, he occasional thrashes around then just rolls over on his side again still.
His body, beneath and behind his eyes looks very swollen compared to when I got him.
 
I think its swim bladder disease.
I don't think its the water as all the other fish and completely fine 
 
 
On internet advice I have stopped feeding him which is why he is in a jug, so I can feed my other fish without him eating,
Thanks

You can see the swell here:

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[Meeresstille]

How big is the tank he shares with his tankmates, and what kind of tankmates does he have, how many of them?
 
Is your tank heated, what temperature is it at?
 
Does your tank have a filter, and is it cycled? Do you have a liquid test kit and could you give us the readings of Ammonia, Nitrite and Ntrate?
 
Your Betta could be constipated, fasting him for 3 days would help. Then you could try feeding him some frozen daphnia, which will act like a laxative. Some people will give a slightly cooked, shelled pea, but there are some that say peas are not the best thing to give, since it could block the betta more.
 
That your Betta is swimming a bit erratic could mean that his swim bladder is involved. He could also be on the way to develop dropsy. If it were my betta I would get him a little hospital tank where he could be treated with Epsom Salts, or at least some aquarium salt (one tsp salt/gallon). 
 
I've once kept a Betta in a community tank as well, and he too became constipated from over-eating. One time he was able to bounce back from it, the second time he developed dropsy which got so bad that I needed to euthanize him. I now keep bettas in their own tanks which they may share with a snail or some shrimp if the bettas accept them.

 

[GuppyGirl20]

Yea if you susspect its swim bladder then fasting and daphina should do the trick. Bettas are very susceptible to sw bladder problems and even dropsy. You jave to be really careful about how much you feed them. I've seen so many posts on jere wjere bettas habe developed dropsy and once dropsy has happened I haven't seen many success stories.
Fasting was a good idea and try to get ahold of some daphina like Meeresstille suggested. Also I've heard salt helps with fish sickness. I'm not sure how much since he's in a jug so maybe someone woth more experience can give you more advise on that.
Best of luck and I hope your betta gets better.

 

[dorecs]

Hi,
Tank 33L with 6 neon tetra's and 4 norman lampeye
Temp 25C
Yes its filtered, the tank has been running half a year now, changed water last week,
I don't have a water testing kit,
 
I will starve him another day or two and then try the daphina/pea
Thanks
 
If it turns out this is to do with his tank mates i'll re-home him soon as,

 

[Wildbetta]

Keep the fish warm while fasting to help the metabolism stay up high enough to help pass anything that might be causing the issue if it is something like constipation or bloat.  I don't suggest keeping him in the jug since there is really not a way to regulate heat for him.  You will need to do daily water changes on whatever you keep him in so that his water stays really clean.
 
In all honesty your tank is really too small for the number of fish you have in it which along with no testing kit to watch the readings could have been an issue. 

 

[dorecs]

Keep the fish warm while fasting to help the metabolism stay up high enough to help pass anything that might be causing the issue if it is something like constipation or bloat.  I don't suggest keeping him in the jug since there is really not a way to regulate heat for him.  You will need to do daily water changes on whatever you keep him in so that his water stays really clean.
 
In all honesty your tank is really too small for the number of fish you have in it which along with no testing kit to watch the readings could have been an issue. 

I'm not sure whether to trust internet advice or fish shop employees on tank size and stocking numbers -.-
I think we can all agree that internet advice varies wildly, but fish store may be inaccurate.

 

I ditched the jug, I only put him in it for 5 mins while I feed the other fish to stop him eating.

 

[dorecs]

Yea if you susspect its swim bladder then fasting and daphina should do the trick. Bettas are very susceptible to sw bladder problems and even dropsy. You jave to be really careful about how much you feed them. I've seen so many posts on jere wjere bettas habe developed dropsy and once dropsy has happened I haven't seen many success stories.
Fasting was a good idea and try to get ahold of some daphina like Meeresstille suggested. Also I've heard salt helps with fish sickness. I'm not sure how much since he's in a jug so maybe someone woth more experience can give you more advise on that.
Best of luck and I hope your betta gets better.

 

How big is the tank he shares with his tankmates, and what kind of tankmates does he have, how many of them?
 
Is your tank heated, what temperature is it at?
 
Does your tank have a filter, and is it cycled? Do you have a liquid test kit and could you give us the readings of Ammonia, Nitrite and Ntrate?
 
Your Betta could be constipated, fasting him for 3 days would help. Then you could try feeding him some frozen daphnia, which will act like a laxative. Some people will give a slightly cooked, shelled pea, but there are some that say peas are not the best thing to give, since it could block the betta more.
 
That your Betta is swimming a bit erratic could mean that his swim bladder is involved. He could also be on the way to develop dropsy. If it were my betta I would get him a little hospital tank where he could be treated with Epsom Salts, or at least some aquarium salt (one tsp salt/gallon). 
 
I've once kept a Betta in a community tank as well, and he too became constipated from over-eating. One time he was able to bounce back from it, the second time he developed dropsy which got so bad that I needed to euthanize him. I now keep bettas in their own tanks which they may share with a snail or some shrimp if the bettas accept them.

 
Thanks for the advice guys, he's is able to swim around absolutely normally now and i will slowly start feeding him regularly again, but much less, I've learned from my overfeeding mistake,
 
Literally, the Betta is 'betta'