Beginner Fishkeeper

hey there let me help with some of your questions.. welcome to the forum by the way!
1. Do I NEED to have the lights set on a timer all day?

as far as the lights go, you should have the lights on to replicate morning and night in your tank. since the corys and tetras are considered to be tropical fishes, tropical areas of the globe usually operate under 14-hour periods of sunlight so in turn you should strive to keep your tank lighted for about 14 hours each day. the white clouds, although originating in china, do not seem influenced too much by the amount of light they get so im guessing if you leave your lights on for 12 to 14 hours a day you should be good either way.

2. Do I need to buy special bulbs?

the lighting of your tank depends on what kinds of flora you plan on using, the positioning of the tank in relevance to outside sunlight, and how much gallons in the tank. rule of thumb here that ive heard of in regards to fluorescent bulbs is 2.5 watts per gallon. try to make sure that the lights are dispersed through out the tank equally and read up on the types of plants you have and whether they're low light or require more "sun".

3. Can the plants be planted in gravel?

yup. make sure you have enough substrate/gravel in the tank to accomodate your types of plants and the length of their roots. nuff said.

4. If I use gravel how many kilo's should I use?

there are many ways to obtain the amount of gravel a freshwater fish tank should have. the method ive frequented is by multiplying the length of the tank by the width of the tank and then dividing by 10 to get the approximate amount of gravel pounds you should add to the tank to get a "healthy" two inches of depth. in your case, divide the pounds by 2.2 and you get your approximate kilos give or take a few.

5. Are rocks good to have in an aquarium as hiding holes?

most definitely. rocks (or other obstacles, toys, pirate ships, etc.) can be beneficial for fish as they can provide hiding spots to shy away in or places to explore and dampen their curious little minds. im sure you know also that adding rocks and other things to your tank helps with tank aesthetics and presentation. from personal experience, the more the better but that's just me. OH AND BEFORE I FORGET... DO NOT USE ROCKS FROM OUTSIDE OR AROUND THE HOUSE!!! using rocks, even the ones you have outside that look pretty, are NOT safe for the fish tank as they can be toxic with all kinds of chemicals regardless of washing them off or not.. just go down to the LFS to get something suitable for the tank that is guaranteed non-toxic and ready to placed in the tank.

6. I read that corys like to hide, what should i do to encourage this?

give them places and necessary things to hide in. provide them with what they need and im sure theyll take care of the hiding part on their own.

7. Is there anything else I should know?

make sure you cycle your biofilter and control the ammonia levels the tank first off. a lot of beginners bypass the whole cycling process, get excited, and fill a tank up with too much fish right off the back and yet they wonder why within a span of a few weeks most of their fish died off. make sure you read up on cycling your biofilter and ensuring that the necessary ammonia/nitrate/nitrite levels are in line as you maintain your fish. i suggest a fishless cycle to start off your tank but you can utilize the white mountain minnows to help cycle you tank with the fish-in cycling method as they are known to be hardy fish...

other than that good luck with your tank and make sure to ask all the questions you can to keep your fish alive and healthy!
 
other than that good luck with your tank and make sure to ask all the questions you can to keep your fish alive and healthy!


Wow thanks for that! Answered alot of questions in such a detailed way!! I have been reading for the past week on cycling and the thread on this forum has been the most easiest one to follow in my opinion. If I obtain say 5 white clouds (or should I get less?) and put them in my tank, let them start do eat and poop untill the ammonia in the tank rises, but will this be harmful to the fish ? If tested the water every day to check the ammonia levels, making sure they dont go about say 4ppm and then doing regular water changes to keep it at a steady rate will the tank cycle well or would it be more beneficial to just use household ammonia?

Also what are good shoal amounts for the fish I have chosen in a tank with 70 litres, dimensions being Height 38cm (15 inches) x 58cm wide (23 inches) x 34cm (13.5 inches) deep.

Thanks for all the help so far :D
Lew.
 
Fish-in cycling is harmful to your fish, and a lot more work for you. You may find yourself going through a phase where you are doing 4 50% waterchanges a day, for a few weeks. The levels of ammonia that the fish are subjected to in theis time will at best shorten their lives, at worst kill them. IMO you are best off doing a fishless cycle with ammonia. Speaking from experience, it is far less work, and the fish will love you for the extra patience.

HTH
Rabbut
 
Fish-in cycling is harmful to your fish, and a lot more work for you. You may find yourself going through a phase where you are doing 4 50% waterchanges a day, for a few weeks. The levels of ammonia that the fish are subjected to in theis time will at best shorten their lives, at worst kill them. IMO you are best off doing a fishless cycle with ammonia. Speaking from experience, it is far less work, and the fish will love you for the extra patience.

HTH
Rabbut

Thanks I will do that :)

Is 4 Corys , 4 tetras, 5 white clouds. Ok for a tank of my size?
 
Should be fine. You have arround 20 inches there, but they are all low waste producers :good: The tetras are best off in groups of 6 though, and I don't see that number being a problem either
 
It is really essential to have somewhere for the fish to hide if they feel the need to, so if you don't have plants, maybe consider rocks or wood?

:good:
 
Yeah I was going to add a few rocks and then prop some wood randomly against the rocks, and the in the back put some artificial plants. I don't really want to crowd it as I heard it can make it hard to vaccum
 
Just poped into my LFS and it seems reliable. The staff in there are great and it has been established for a while now.

I looked at the fish and saw a few I liked (wow the bettas are beautiful)

Flame tetra
Tiger barb
Plecostomus (plecos name i think but it was fairly small and looked nice)
Neon tetra
Guppys (loads, they are so beautiful)
Angels

I would considder getting

3 Flame Tetras
2 Tiger Barbs
the Pleco
5 Neon Tetras
3 Guppys
1 Angel

I obviously shouldnt put all these in such a small tank (70L) so, i was wondering if anyone could advice me on what would be the best combo?
 
as far as the plants go i will agree with rabbut and say that the flora is entirely up to you... BUT keep in mind that real live plants help to control nitrate levels in the tank (as nitrates are food for plants, algae, and bacteria) AND provides oxygen to the fishies and bacteria through photosynthesis. it wouldnt hurt to put some plants in there to help with maintaining tank equilibrium but thats just my recommendation so its up to you...

as far as your "coming soon" setup, i would advise against putting all of those in the same tank together. if i had to choose a combo for me that would be a comfortable amount in the tank i would take the guppies, either the flame or neon tetras, the pleco, and the angel.. angelfish are known to be a bit aggressive (especially when feeding) but with smaller less aggressive fish they tend to do just fine. also keep in mind that plecos grow to be quite large (up to about 20" i think) and may outgrow your tank so just be ready for that.

worrddd
 
as far as the plants go i will agree with rabbut and say that the flora is entirely up to you... BUT keep in mind that real live plants help to control nitrate levels in the tank (as nitrates are food for plants, algae, and bacteria) AND provides oxygen to the fishies and bacteria through photosynthesis. it wouldnt hurt to put some plants in there to help with maintaining tank equilibrium but thats just my recommendation so its up to you...

as far as your "coming soon" setup, i would advise against putting all of those in the same tank together. if i had to choose a combo for me that would be a comfortable amount in the tank i would take the guppies, either the flame or neon tetras, the pleco, and the angel.. angelfish are known to be a bit aggressive (especially when feeding) but with smaller less aggressive fish they tend to do just fine. also keep in mind that plecos grow to be quite large (up to about 20" i think) and may outgrow your tank so just be ready for that.

worrddd

Thanks ! I may be able to get some mature media from the guy that owns the LFS. If the pleco is going to get as big as the two at the top of the tanks (massive) then I probably wont get it. There was some small fish sucking on the glass and gravel, algae eaters no dout, forgot to right down the name they looked cool, might get two of those if I can they sorta looked like slugs in the water. I wanted to get the tiger barbs but apparantly they are fin nippers so they wouldnt go well with the guppys.

However will the angel go well with the neon tetras as I heard they may eat them!! The flame tetras where quite large, well larger than the neon tetras but the neon's looked so much nicer so I still have to think about it :D
 
I would considder getting

3 Flame Tetras

Should be ok, but better in groups of 6. They can be fin nippers

2 Tiger Barbs

Again, a minimum of 6 is advisable, but 8 would be best to keep agression down. They can be fin nippers.

the Pleco

Plecos grow between 1 foot and 18 inches, so best avoided in a 70l tank

5 Neon Tetras

Ok group size, but they require plenty of swimming space. I would surgest that a 70l is a little too small for them.


Should be fine in the tank, if you opt out of the flame tetras and the tiger barbs. With the other two species though, they will almost cirtainly get ripped to shreds :crazy:


General not too agressive on their own, but small fish are their natural diet, therefore, it would be best to avoid things arround the size of neon tetras. Also, they grow to 8 inches length and 1 foot hight, so may be too big for your tank.

I obviously shouldnt put all these in such a small tank (70L) so, i was wondering if anyone could advice me on what would be the best combo?

70l is arround 15 gallons, so 15 inches of fish is arround a good ammount to start with. The only combos I can see that would work in you tank, from the ones you like, are as follows;

1) group of 7-8 tiger barbs
2) group of 7-8 flame tetras
3) group of 4 flame tetras, and 5 tiger barbs

You may manage a few bottom feeders like a type of corrydorus, but you would only realy get 3-4 in there comfortably.

HTH
Rabbut
 
1) group of 7-8 tiger barbs
2) group of 7-8 flame tetras
3) group of 4 flame tetras, and 5 tiger barbs

You may manage a few bottom feeders like a type of corrydorus, but you would only realy get 3-4 in there comfortably.

HTH
Rabbut

Wow thanks, you've been such a great help. I would like a pack of the tiger barbs as they are amazing fish to watch. I was hoping to get some guppys as they are very active and look like such nice fish to keep. What about if I got,

4 guppys
4 neon tetras
1 angel - the angels in the shop where very small ?
 
1) group of 7-8 tiger barbs
2) group of 7-8 flame tetras
3) group of 4 flame tetras, and 5 tiger barbs

You may manage a few bottom feeders like a type of corrydorus, but you would only realy get 3-4 in there comfortably.

HTH
Rabbut

Wow thanks, you've been such a great help. I would like a pack of the tiger barbs as they are amazing fish to watch. I was hoping to get some guppys as they are very active and look like such nice fish to keep. What about if I got,

4 guppys
4 neon tetras
1 angel - the angels in the shop where very small ?

You would probibly get away with the guppies and the neons, but not the angel. They are quick growers, and will soon get too big. A 36X18X12 tank would be what I consider minimum for them.

All the best
Rabbut
 

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