Angelfish Breeding

[FlyingSheep]

I recently moved from a 30 gal to a 75 gal, and all I've known/done with fish involved guppies. I loved the little rancors, but I decided to grab something larger and generally cooler to look at. Guppies are a bit simple in my opinion. Anyway I've got six black and white angelfish in my tank, 2 red.... red somethings (I only bought them to get rid of my hair algea, I'll be evicting them sooner or later), four cory cats, a pleco, and my remaining four guppies. I plan to eventually just have the angels by themselves along with my bottom feeders.

Anyway, my question is this: Everywhere I read it says that once the angels pair, leave them to their own tank. I find that a rather waste of space. Considering of course you follow the 1 inch of fish per gallon... At best I would have 66 slots of fish left. Is it possible to raise angelfish with this much realestate? Or, if I leave only the pair with the parents, can I let the fry grow up with the parents until I sell the babies off?

I'm making a planted tank, and I'm slowly adding plants before I start my CO2. Sure, the plants are going to be the star but I would rather have more than 7 fish floating around. Tips, comments, ect.

If for whatever reason pictures may help, let me know. Thanks.

 

[RockyStafford]

My angelfish have just spawned, I posted in the New world cichlids part of the forum asking for help and advice on looking after the eggs, No reply so im guessing people don't keep new world cichlids anymore? I'm stuck as i have no idea I've only ever dealt with live bearers.

Sorry for jumping in on your thread but this sort of relates to my issue.

Regards
Shaun

 

[SombreroBanana]

To both of you guys, you can leave the fry in with the parents, just make sure nothing is trying to eat them. If they are, move either the angels or the other fish out into another tank. Also, cover the filter intake with a piece of new pantyhose or a sponge or something. The fry will eat baby brine shrimp, your LFS should have eggs. Google search how to raise brine shrimp.

 

[Tuxyu3]

im guessing people don't keep new world cichlids anymore?

Of course they do, why would shops sell them otherwise?

You would be better of with just a pair and some dither fish, although some people do keep large groups in extremely large tanks.

If they bred you could leave fry with the parents but if there are too many other fish trying to come near the parents may get stressed, eat/abandon the eggs and attack other fish. You would need to make sure fry won't get sucked up by the filter.
Angels may take a few spawns to get used to being parents, they are losing their parental capabilities due to breeders separating fry from parents in fish farms, it would be much better if you leave them with parents for at least a few spawns to give them a chance. It really is a shame they are losing parental instincts, but it can be stopped if breeders do it right.

 

[RockyStafford]

I have no other tank that these angelfish and fry can go into, The problem I've got is that my tank also has pictus cats and mollies in there aswell so im guessing that none will survive past the wiggler stage? I do have breeder boxes but im also guessing that these would'nt be big enough to raise angelfish? Should i just let nature take It's cause?

Shaun

 

[Mikey1]

when i bred angelfish i had six of them in a 75 gallon tank, nothing else in the tank, not even gravel, its best not to have gravel in a tank with small fry,

i put 3 pieces of 3 inch plastic PVC pipe standing vertically on the bottom of the tank, going up about one inch from the water surface, they loved to lay their eggs on these pipes,

keep the water hot (82-84) and do lots of water changes,

after they layed the eggs i would move the PVC pipe to one end of the tank, and use a tank divider so none of them could get at the eggs or fry,

that was my recipe for great success!!

good luck

 

[FlyingSheep]

when i bred angelfish i had six of them in a 75 gallon tank, nothing else in the tank, not even gravel, its best not to have gravel in a tank with small fry,

Gravel has nothing to do with fry as I'm concerned. I've got plenty of egg layers and unless angelfish fry are different I don't even see how that could be a factor.

 

[Mikey1]

when i bred angelfish i had six of them in a 75 gallon tank, nothing else in the tank, not even gravel, its best not to have gravel in a tank with small fry,

Gravel has nothing to do with fry as I'm concerned. I've got plenty of egg layers and unless angelfish fry are different I don't even see how that could be a factor.

you came here asking for advice on angelfish breeding and i gave you some, now your complaining about it?

if you dont want to follow the advice given, why ask for advice in the first place?

you seem to know it all, so why bother asking?

 

[minnnt]

The reason substrate is often avoided is so that due to the high amount of food offered when conditioning the parents and high amount of food fed to fry it makes it much easier to clean the remains with a siphon which will keep the water alot cleaner. If this is a show tank then don't get too hung up on breeding them. They're hard enough to breed in a seperate tank let alone a community tank. If you're planning the heavily planted tank you mention then let the Angels compliment it.

What Cories did you go with? Alot of Cories prefer cooler temps where as Angels do better in warmer water. Worth looking into.

 

[FlyingSheep]

The reason substrate is often avoided is so that due to the high amount of food offered when conditioning the parents and high amount of food fed to fry it makes it much easier to clean the remains with a siphon which will keep the water alot cleaner. If this is a show tank then don't get too hung up on breeding them. They're hard enough to breed in a seperate tank let alone a community tank. If you're planning the heavily planted tank you mention then let the Angels compliment it.

What Cories did you go with? Alot of Cories prefer cooler temps where as Angels do better in warmer water. Worth looking into.

Yeah the more and more I read the less I'm happy about buying these angels. I'm getting a little angry that these barbaric animals can't live together without killing each other.

I think I've decided to go with carpet cleaners for my tank. Mainly plecos, corys, and perhaps ottos. I've been fascinated with shrimp for some time, and I would like to start raising them in my 75. So I believe I'm just going to sell my angels and perhaps stay with guppies. I've attempted at RCS before with guppies, and the shrimp did well for some time. They exploded to be honest, but then they just started vanishing. I thought it was the guppies but I found dead shrimp all over the place. Which sucked, I was a bit upset that I slaughtered the little guys.

Oh that also reminds me, I'm also going to have to get rid of my pleco later in life as from what I read when they get bigger they stampede through plants.

I really didn't do my homework.

 

[Tuxyu3]

Yeah the more and more I read the less I'm happy about buying these angels. I'm getting a little angry that these barbaric animals can't live together without killing each other.

I don't want to come off as rude but this statement sounds totally ridiculous. Why get angry with the angels? They aren't barbaric, they are just doing what comes naturally, did you expect them to be singing choir and quoting Shakespeare?

Either way if you are going with just guppies without shrimp i would just make sure they have optimum cover, preferably a substantial amount of moss.

 

[FlyingSheep]

Yeah the more and more I read the less I'm happy about buying these angels. I'm getting a little angry that these barbaric animals can't live together without killing each other.

I don't want to come off as rude but this statement sounds totally ridiculous. Why get angry with the angels? They aren't barbaric, they are just doing what comes naturally, did you expect them to be singing choir and quoting Shakespeare?

Either way if you are going with just guppies without shrimp i would just make sure they have optimum cover, preferably a substantial amount of moss.

No no no, I'm just angry that fish in general are (not the angels themselves), well, in my opinion rather retarded. I love fish, I love the little guys, but I just hate with a burning passion how the little jerks can't live together. I want something like a salt water tank in my freshwater. Where everyone lives happily not trying to stuff it's neighbors into it's mouth. I love life and it kills me that I can't get a decent pair to breed and raise.