Albino Corys Sick - 4 Deaths In 6Months

[WILDER]

Oh, ok so I guess that means the outcome is going to be pretty hideous
Should i treat with what i have Interpet Internal Bacteria, starting tomorrow or will that be too weak? Im not going until Sunday, so I could have 6 days...

Oh, i dont know what to do

I would have personaly said it would be better to use the Interpet med first rather than going with the bacteria destroying med anyway.

But the interpet not that good. It only affective on mild bacteria infections.

True, but I'd rather give it a try first then wiping out my entire bacterial colony, possibly causing more problems in terms of ammonia, nitrite etc.
Especially if there's no guarantee it will actually work.
Rather than go after a problem with a sledge hammer, I'd gently take my time in working up the ladder with meds.
Sure this could possibly take more time, and I might possibly loose more fish in the process of treatment, but at least I wont lose the bacterial colony causing even more problems.

Each to his own at the end of the day, but either way, I wish you the best of luck.

A bad strain of bacteria wants wiping out.

 

[mbsqw1d]

chester1066's fish and HER TANK is infected by what wilder has diagnosed from using her vast knowledge and experience as a form of bacteria that can only be destroyed by a med that will also destroy her filter bacteria. if this is the case and chester1066 wishes to proceed with the med, then i am more than willing to send some of my mature media. (im guessing chester1066 doesnt live a million miles away from me!) sometimes only the 'sledgehammer approach' will do!

 

[VaegaVic]

chester1066's fish and HER TANK is infected by what wilder has diagnosed from using her vast knowledge and experience as a form of bacteria that can only be destroyed by a med that will also destroy her filter bacteria. if this is the case and chester1066 wishes to proceed with the med, then i am more than willing to send some of my mature media. (im guessing chester1066 doesnt live a million miles away from me!) sometimes only the 'sledgehammer approach' will do!

Of course, I am not doubting Wilder or her vast experience which is far superior to mine.
I am merely stating that if I personally caught this early enough, I would use a weaker med to try to avoid using anything too strong and try to avoid doing any further damage. I did not mean any offence, but clearly I caused some.
My main problem with sending mature media is how much of the bacteria is still going to be alive when it arrives.

It seems rather to be a catch 22 situation. Either possibly let the fish die by using an inferior med or wipe out the bacteria, possibly causing more problems but still no guarantee to save the infected fish whilst putting the other fish in danger of ammonia/nitrite poisoning. Of course allowing the bacteria to progress is a bad idea as they will eventually infect the other tank inhabitants, but it seems there is no easy way to win this.

That is all I was trying to get across and I don't appreciated being talked down to.
Apologies for any offence caused.

 

[chester1066]

Hi all - thanks for all of your replies,

In my opinion, Id rather get several pieces of advice and Im grateful to all of you for that

Currently the only option that is viable, it to use Interpet meds which I have at hand, so that is what I will be doing tonight.
I would consider the Furanol 2 also, but given that Im going on holiday in 6 days and its available only by post, its not a good option right now.

I do realise this is jeopardising the fish and the tank, but I feel I need to do something instead of nothing. Im keeping up the water changes and the testing, but feel I need to medicate the tank.

Wilder, when you say double dose, do you mean literally that? I double the dosage, or that I use a single dose and then re-medicate 4 days later with another single does, like the instructions say?
I am under the impression that Ill lose some of the corys and it does actually break my heart to think about that, because each one is a precious being and i care for them enormously.

Thanks again all and Ill keep you updated

Mbsqw - thank you so much for the offer of media - i really appreciate that help (im in Hastings, East Sussex!) - ill try the Interpet as an immediate thing before going on holiday but i do realise I will probably need Furinol when I get back - so I might hold you to that fab offer

 

[mbsqw1d]

chester1066's fish and HER TANK is infected by what wilder has diagnosed from using her vast knowledge and experience as a form of bacteria that can only be destroyed by a med that will also destroy her filter bacteria. if this is the case and chester1066 wishes to proceed with the med, then i am more than willing to send some of my mature media. (im guessing chester1066 doesnt live a million miles away from me!) sometimes only the 'sledgehammer approach' will do!

Of course, I am not doubting Wilder or her vast experience which is far superior to mine.
I am merely stating that if I personally caught this early enough, I would use a weaker med to try to avoid using anything too strong and try to avoid doing any further damage. I did not mean any offence, but clearly I caused some.
My main problem with sending mature media is how much of the bacteria is still going to be alive when it arrives.

It seems rather to be a catch 22 situation. Either possibly let the fish die by using an inferior med or wipe out the bacteria, possibly causing more problems but still no guarantee to save the infected fish whilst putting the other fish in danger of ammonia/nitrite poisoning. Of course allowing the bacteria to progress is a bad idea as they will eventually infect the other tank inhabitants, but it seems there is no easy way to win this.

That is all I was trying to get across and I don't appreciated being talked down to.
Apologies for any offence caused.

no offence taken.. or meant! if there was a poll on this post i would vote for wilder's input thats all. maybe my writing/typing style comes across badly, sorry!

chester1066, you're not as near as i guessed lol, but post doesn't take that long to get about so no probs let me know if/when.

 

[WILDER]

Thanks everyone.

I usually find that good bacterial meds seem to protect fish in bad water quality..
It will maybe kill the weakter one's.

To be honest I don't think you have an option. You need to kill the bad bacteria in the tank.

Every time you lose a fish you are putting the whole tank at risk if they peck at the dead body.

I think in the uk now you can buy jbl bacteria which helps seed your filter.
Also if a member willing to donate you some filter media I would kill the bacteria off in your filter.

I would rather give the fish a chance than risk leaving the bad bacteria thriving than risk losing the whole tank.

 

[WILDER]

A member contacted interpet and they said you can double the dose in severe cases with anti internal bacteria med.

I done this but it never helped much.
It can knock water stats, but it never knocked mine.


Once the bacteria enters the blood stream and organs I find uk lfs bought meds are pretty useless.
Even with antibiotics you can still lose the fish. Hard to cure advanced bacteria infections.

 

[chester1066]

Hi all just a quick update on this situation!

I used Interpet Anti Bacteria meds before going on holiday - and put carbon back in when i got home. No more fish have died (its been about 3 weeks now)...but they are not looking good - in particular, at least 5 out of 20 are very obviously not well.

My plan now is to order Furanol 2 and hope for the best. I realise at this point that im probably going to lose quite a few fish and thats a horrible thought. But if i can save some, then thats a positive.

Wish me luck...and thanks for all your support

 

[chester1066]

HI, me again!

I just ordered some Furinol 2 through my LFS but its going to take 2 weeks. I had a think about the whole Furinol killing the good bacteria in the filter thing, and wondered if there was any way that i could somehow put some filter sponge in my sisters tank for the next 2 weeks to gain healthy bacteria?
Obviously the sponge would have to be new sponge and not from my existing tank.
How does that sound??

Any advice appreciated

Thanks all

 

[WILDER]

I would see if a member on the board would donate you a mature filter sponge.

Double dose the interpet med again if the furanol going to take 2 weeks to arrive.

If you do decide to put a sponge in your sister tank. That's fine as long as it's new.
Don't want old sponges in her tank, as it will pass the disease onto her tank.

Thanks for the update.
Good Luck.

 

[mrs biffster]

chester1066 what i would like to know is what did you do before the problem arose. I read on your post that you moved house, did you have your tank setup before you moved. And how long did you have your tank setup straight after you moved.
There is always a cause before you notice anything wrong.

 

[chester1066]

Thanks Wilder I have been offered an Ozonator to run for a week in the tank. What do you think to those? I was going to run that for a week and see if there were any changes..if not, then wait another few days for the Furanol to come through..

Mrs Biffster - well, I have moved house 3 times in the last 2 years, which i guess is a lot for fish.
The last time i moved house was 7 months ago. I completed the fish tank move in 3 hours. I took about 60% of the water with me to the new house..i put the fish in buckets of water, the existing 60% of water in brand new plastic storage boxes. I kept the plants and all the substrate in bags and when i got to the new house, i literally put old water in and topped up with treated new tap water. I put the plants and substrate in, then added the fish. I tried to keep the bucket water as close to 75 degrees as i could. The whole process from start to end took about 3 hours.Im sure the stress of this and the way i set it up had some relevance to the fish's illnesses..

 

[mbsqw1d]

PM me if you still need the mature media

 

[WILDER]

Not sure what a Ozonator is. Can you explain more please.