About Cardinal tetra

[GaryE]

Naming is always going to be debated. Do you name a fish for its habitat? Its attributes? Its discoverer? A respected researcher? Colleagues?We'll never resolve that one. Look at Fenerbahce formosus, in a Genus named after a Turkish football team.

I draw that line at buying and selling of fish or medical syndrome names. That seems wrong to me. I never want to meet my doctor and be told "That pain in your lower intestine is Elon Musk tax shelter syndrome."

 

[Karel Zahradka]

Naming is always going to be debated. Do you name a fish for its habitat? Its attributes? Its discoverer? A respected researcher? Colleagues?We'll never resolve that one. Look at Fenerbahce formosus, in a Genus named after a Turkish football team.

I draw that line at buying and selling of fish or medical syndrome names. That seems wrong to me. I never want to meet my doctor and be told "That pain in your lower intestine is Elon Musk tax shelter syndrome."

Yes, that also happens, the scientist probably supported this team . The name Fenerbahce is not derived from any biological term, but it is a tribute to the famous Istanbul sports club Fenerbahçe SK. This is quite unusual in zoological nomenclature and caused a number of funny reactions among ichthyologists at the time.

 

[gwand]

Differences in ideas can enrich the hobby and life in general as long as civility is maintained.

 

[Innesfan]

Axelrod did a lot of harm in his time, to a hobby that is in serious decline as is. So maybe his machinations get forgotten, along with some of the species he paid to have named after him. The latter would be a shame. He paid for lovely fish to be described.

Old Herbie hustled and scammed his way into becoming a millionaire many times over. He invented credentials and told fabulous stories. He truly found a way to become rich from our fascination. When I was a kid, I thought very highly of his books and magazines. He and Innes were the guys, although Baensch's work eventually blew Herbie out of the water.

He was on record as enjoying his ability to exploit the sincerity of scientific writers and fish serious fish people. If he thought you cared about the hobby, you were a target to be exploited. When I started working with TFH (after he had bowed out, but with the culture he'd created), they had very good subscriber numbers and were available in most medium sized magazine stores. I'd even bought it in pharmacy magazine racks, along with the 2 other big North American magazines. The magazine alone made money. But they paid $100 per article, if they paid at all. It was a license to print money. He sold the company for 70 million when he retired.

I very quickly negotiated a better deal once I had leverage, but the mag knew writers were disposable. I was offered a book contract by TFH at 15% of what I was already being paid by competitors. I passed on it.

Now we all write for free and feed AI's owners, so Herbert Axelrod was ahead of his time. But he was a shrewd businessman and scammer first, and not part of the scientific community. I believe his "Dr" was of education, but not anything fish related. But man, he was an unethical marketer's role model.

Thank you, @GaryE for sparing me a lot of typing. Axelrod was a scoundrel and convicted felon, pure and simple. Innes was a gentleman, a great writer-printer-photographer, and the most significant and articulate advocate for our hobby at the most critical time of its development--through a worldwide depression and world war. As I've said before, the great Rosario LaCorte who never said an unkind word about anyone and always refused to spill the tea on Axelrod whom he knew very well, would only say of him, "He hurt so very many people."

 

[anewbie]

In my opinion famous people who have contributed have things named after them; and 'bad' (or vain) people name things after themselves since nobody else will do so....

 

[bgarthe]

In my opinion famous people who have contributed have things named after them; and 'bad' (or vain) people name things after themselves since nobody else will do so....

So so so Very true……sadly to say. And…..yes, I’m holding back a bit….gotta stay within the rules.

 

[Karel Zahradka]

In my opinion famous people who have contributed have things named after them; and 'bad' (or vain) people name things after themselves since nobody else will do so....

Which person named a fish after themselves? I've never read that.

 

[anewbie]

Which person named a fish after themselves? I've never read that.

Were we not just having a discussion on cardinal tetra name ?

 

[Karel Zahradka]

Thank you, @GaryE for sparing me a lot of typing. Axelrod was a scoundrel and convicted felon, pure and simple. Innes was a gentleman, a great writer-printer-photographer, and the most significant and articulate advocate for our hobby at the most critical time of its development--through a worldwide depression and world war. As I've said before, the great Rosario LaCorte who never said an unkind word about anyone and always refused to spill the tea on Axelrod whom he knew very well, would only say of him, "He hurt so very many people."

William T. Innes lived from 1874 to 1969 and Herbert R. Axelrod from 1927 to 2017. This means that Innes was over 50 years old when Axelrod was born. That's more than two generations. It is a sad fact that with each generation, humanity loses its nobility. Times are much more brutal today, the differences between the poor and the rich are growing dangerously, and envy breeds hatred. I don't know what the situation is like elsewhere, but that's how I perceive it in the Czech Republic.

 

[Karel Zahradka]

Were we not just having a discussion on cardinal tetra name ?

That's right, but L.P. Schultz didn't describe it after himself

 

[anewbie]

William T. Innes lived from 1874 to 1969 and Herbert R. Axelrod from 1927 to 2017. This means that Innes was over 50 years old when Axelrod was born. That's more than two generations. It is a sad fact that with each generation, humanity loses its nobility. Times are much more brutal today, the differences between the poor and the rich are growing dangerously, and envy breeds hatred. I don't know what the situation is like elsewhere, but that's how I perceive it in the Czech Republic.

It is probably off topic but you are probably correct that the disparity of wealth is increasing - it is certainly the case in USA and has been for sometime in Russia. It also appear that morals (or ethics) are lower and greed seem unbounded for at least those who are already wealthy.

However there are people of strong ethics and means even today - they might be a minority or fewer then before - i have no way to determine but i've met a few over the years - no one famous but people who demonstrate integrity. Me - i won't evaluate myself and leave that to others but will note that my Dad was a true scientist in the old mold who believe in the spreading of knowledge and not so much in awards or other crap that seems to pollute some people. He wasn't famous but he was well known in his field and that was good enough for him.

As for fishes - I would like to thank people like Mike Wise, Frank and even Gary who share knowledge freely and know far more than most.

 

[Karel Zahradka]

Pravděpodobně to je mimo téma, ale pravděpodobně máte pravdu, že nerovnost v bohatství se zvyšuje - v USA to rozhodně platí a v Rusku tomu tak už nějakou dobu je. Zdá se také, že morálka (nebo etika) je nižší a chamtivost se zdá být neomezená, alespoň pro ty, kteří už bohatí jsou.

Nicméně i dnes existují lidé se silnou morálkou a prostředky – možná je jich menšina nebo méně než dříve – nemám jak to určit, ale v průběhu let jsem jich pár potkal – nikdo slavný, ale lidé, kteří prokazují integritu. Já – nebudu se hodnotit sám a nechám to na ostatních, ale poznamenám, že můj táta byl skutečný vědec ve starém stylu, který věřil v šíření znalostí a ne tolik v ocenění nebo jiné nesmysly, které, jak se zdá, některé lidi znečišťují. Nebyl slavný, ale ve svém oboru byl dobře známý a to mu stačilo.

Co se týče ryb - chtěl bych poděkovat lidem jako Mike Wise, Frank a dokonce i Gary, kteří se svobodně dělí o znalosti a vědí mnohem víc než většina ostatních.

Naprosto souhlasím, Franka jsem znal osobně, dokonce jsme před mnoha lety publikovali společný článek o Nothobranchius korthausae a Mika Weise jsem potkal v roce 2015 v Iquitos

 

[anewbie]

I might meet Mike a couple of years after i move - as i will be some 10 or so miles from him but maybe not. These days i don't really like to meet people that much - i prefer to either know them or not know them if you understand what i mean.

A 'meeting' isn't really knowing someone - and i see no point to that.

 

[anewbie]

I've never had them breed in a regular tank. I cover all sides of the tank because of the problems with light for the fry. It's hard to catch and remove the adults with the darkness you need.

I find their colours change with heavy tannins, and become really intriguing. When the babies first get colour (early in life) they are spectacular in their still dimly lit tanks.

I expect that they lay eggs all breeding season, but the light, water and tankmates kill them.

I should probably but the phone in manual exposure since the auto compensation for low light kind of breaks the view but this is what they look like in the 100 gallon blackwater aquarium - sort of - just imagine things darker; there are some 3 year old (ownership so maybe closer to 4 years old emerald eye rasbora and some new junior tetra and of course a small group of b. wavarni to keep them all company); you can see the darkness by the amount of motion in the fishes:

I really need to teach the wavarni to be a bit less friendly - they keep wanting to hog the frame....

 

[Karel Zahradka]

Naprosto souhlasím, Franka jsem znal osobně, dokonce jsme před mnoha lety publikovali společný článek o Nothobranchius korthausae a Mika Weise jsem potkal v roce 2015 v Iquitos

I might meet Mike a couple of years after i move - as i will be some 10 or so miles from him but maybe not. These days i don't really like to meet people that much - i prefer to either know them or not know them if you understand what i mean.

A 'meeting' isn't really knowing someone - and i see no point to that.

Why the point? I was simply happy to shake hands with the person who brings order to the Apistogramma genus.