I have recently redone my 29g and made it into a planted tank (with the plants I had to remove from my Discus tank). Current inhabitants are 6 lemon tetras, 4 cories and 1 very passive opaline gourami. I think I would like to add some cichlids to this set up and I'm trying to decide what to go with. I'd prefer to stick with smaller south americans. I've been considering rams, apistos, dwarf acaras (if I can find any) or if all else fails, angels. I want something interesting that won't hide all the time.
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ALEXF
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I actually have, bolivian rams, german blue ram. apistogamma cacatoiudes (sp?), as well as angels all in the same tank. They are a territorial fish but none of them really hide thou they bicker alot never any damage thou as i check them daily for that. My apsito is actually the most aggressive of the bunch but the rams are really peaceful and the german blues have a really nice color to them. you know im not even exactly sure what your question is but theres my 2 cents.
ALEXF
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To be honest, both Ram and Angel do better in pairs/groups (especially Ram.)
So you don't want the above fish anymore? A pair of Ram/Kribensis may be good. Or, a trio of Apisto would work. Either cacatupodes, inconspicua, steindachneri or agassizi would work. You may need to order them off the internet or through a special order at your local store.
the tank may be a little small, but what about a pair of Altum Angels? I read an article and found that these guys are amazing fish with awesome personality. If you are looking for something different you may want to look into these. Again, you would probably have to look into getting them through the internet or special ordering them for your local store. the upside is that you have also had experience with angels before.
So you don't want the above fish anymore? A pair of Ram/Kribensis may be good. Or, a trio of Apisto would work. Either cacatupodes, inconspicua, steindachneri or agassizi would work. You may need to order them off the internet or through a special order at your local store.
the tank may be a little small, but what about a pair of Altum Angels? I read an article and found that these guys are amazing fish with awesome personality. If you are looking for something different you may want to look into these. Again, you would probably have to look into getting them through the internet or special ordering them for your local store. the upside is that you have also had experience with angels before.
I have had angels before and I enjoyed them. I had a wonderful pair of marble angels that I sold due to tank space issues (kicking myself now). A LfS near me has a pair of wild caught angels for sale that are really tempting me. But after spending close to $300 on Discus recently I don't know if I can shell out another $70 for the angels.
Of course if I sell off my saltwater tank, fish money would not be a problem.
I don't want 1 of each. I prefer to have things in pairs or groups (with the exception of my oscar who hates everybody). Rams look like neat fish but I've heard they can hide alot and stay near the bottom. I want something I will see all the time. I'm really leaning toward angels as my daughter really liked the ones I used to have.
Of course if I sell off my saltwater tank, fish money would not be a problem.
I don't want 1 of each. I prefer to have things in pairs or groups (with the exception of my oscar who hates everybody). Rams look like neat fish but I've heard they can hide alot and stay near the bottom. I want something I will see all the time. I'm really leaning toward angels as my daughter really liked the ones I used to have.
Yes, most Dwarf Cichlids are bottom dwelling. Ram are part of a family called Microgeophagus which are related to Geophagus (also very heavily bottom dwelling fish.)
I have a pair of Ram in my Discus tank and they never stop moving, nor do they ever hide! They are some really interesting and colorful fish. The closest I would say they come to hiding is when they breed. The only problem with these guys is that they get really aggressive with each other (mine anyways.)
The fish at your LFS are probably Pterophyllum scalare. The fish I am talking about are Pterophyllum altum.
LosC519
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I agree with DiscusLova, Rams like pairs and are closely related to the Eartheaters mentioned. My Rams tend to stay just below half. Rams will claim territory, preferrably in caves, therefore you should position your caves so you can see inside them.
What are you water params? ph, nitrate. Also, your water changing schedule?
What are you water params? ph, nitrate. Also, your water changing schedule?
Should be okay. My Ram are flourishing in a higher Ph (7-7.3.) All the other fish I mentioned do well on a large scale of Ph levels. Altums should be fine too as long as they are tank bred.
LosC519
Fish Crazy
Try adding some driftwood to your tank to drop the pH a bit, your Rams will be better off, yes they may adapt but it will have effects on them in the long run. Make sure you acclimate them good, drip acclimation would be better.
I think that is totally false. As long as they are tank bred in a Ph similar to your own, there shouldn't be any problems. Rams are a lot easier and less needy then Discus, but still people keep Discus in a high Ph.
Just like Angelfish, Ram can adapt to a wide range of Ph levels...
Just wondering... What are these long term effects??
The tank is 18" high. As for the ph I recently got some discus and they are doing fine without me altering the ph at all. I think stability is more important, you have to be really careful when altering ph. As for driftwood in the 29g I have some with some anubias growing on it and I'll be adding another peice with some java fern (as soon as I get some). Rams are very pretty but I think I'm leaning toward angels. My daughter loved the ones I used to have (and so did I) and I really never should have sold them. And seeing as I already have needy discus I think I'll be better off with the less needy angels 
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