200l Tank Fish Cycling

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We have a new 200L (120Lx38Wx50h) glass tank with:

- Aquaclay Ground substrate Aquaclay website
- undergravel filter (in this case "underAquaclayGround" filter)
- 2 x 1400l/h powerheads, is this too much for my size tank?
- 1m long bubble tube under the substrate
- driftwood, 4 pieces, don't know what kind of wood exactly, bought them from LFS
- pinewood hood with 4 x 3cm round vents on top, hood not touching the water, not varnished or painted
- 1 x 36" 30W Arcadia tropical fish lamp and 1 x 36" 30W Aracadia freshwater lamp
- 1 x100W tube heater, set at 25-deg C.

Ammonia is not available where I come from. Believe me I searched everywhere, the pharamceutical stores are also wondering why it is not available. So I decided to go for fish cycling, instead of fishless cycling.

The Aquaclay Ground substrate was washed and soaked overnight throughly to remove the dust. A couple of hours after putting in the water, the remaining dust settled, as was stated by the manufacturer of the ground substrate. I also put in the driftwood. Ran the powerheads and bubble tube.

I added some water from another "good" tank where fish are okey, but overstocked, thus this new 220L tank. Added also nitrifying bacteria to induce early nitrification.

24 hours later, I put in my 4 juvenile bala sharks (each about 3" long).

The following noon (about 18 hrs), I found 1 bala to be missing. We looked and looked. We found it in a driftwood crevice dead. We suspected it got stuck there and died.

The rest of the 3 balas were quiet the whole day. I tried feeding them with frozen bloodworms. They did not eat. Later today, I put in some flakes, I did not see them eat. The whole day, they were hovering in one corner, swimmimg at about 30-deg angle. I suspected something was wrong. I tested the water:

NH3 0.5
GH 200
KH 120
pH 7.0-7.2
NO2 0.5
NO3 20

The water params before putting in the fish yesterday were:

NH3 0
GH 200
KH 100
pH 7.0-7.2
NO2 0.5
NO3 20

Later this evening, 1 bala started to go belly-up. We removed all 3 balas and put the 2 in their fromer "overstocked" tank, but are not swimming as they used to, but appears to be recovering. The other "bellying-up" bala is in a small jar, on its side but still breathing. Should we euthanase her? :sad:

The water params after we removed the balas are:

NH3 0.4
GH 200
KH 120
pH 6.5, big drop, I don't know why.
NO2 0.5
NO3 20

I am using test strips from Pentair Aqautics, and making accurate readings i.e., comparing colours to the colour chart I find difficult.

This post is in relation to my 2 other posts:

M.I.A. (missing bala)
Pine wood for aquarium hood?

I do water changes to the old tank these balas were in everyday, sometimes twice daily, because it is extremely overstocked. We are newbies who dived into the hobby without doing our homework. The water params on that overstocked tank are too high for fish to survive. I am even embarassed to post the water params. It has been 24 day days, we have not lost a fish there yet. We know we soon will, thus, our desperate efforts for a large tank.

Why is it when we put the hardy fish in a large tank with okey water params, they started to die?

I started to drain the 220L tank of water, and removed the driftwood. I stopped to post this, to get some advices.

Thanks for reading, but we need help desperately. :sad: :sad:
We really want to be worthy fish-keepers.
 
40gal isn't really big enough for 4 bala sharks they need very large tanks, if the other tank had cycled you could of took a mature sponge out of the filter and added it to the new tank.
 
40gal isn't really big enough for 4 bala sharks they need very large tanks, if the other tank had cycled you could of took a mature sponge out of the filter and added it to the new tank.


Yes, I believe 220L (58 US gals) is not big enough for 4 bala sharks when they grow to adulthood. I arranged with the LFS to take them when they outgrow the 220L. They are only 3" juveniles now.

Like I mentioned the old tank is not stable, thus our deperate attempt for a larger tank. I just took some water from it, but not from the filter. BTW, the other tank is one of those China-made Jebo acrylic tanks, with a powerhead (?) that takes water from the tank and filters it through filters on top of the tank, and releases it back to the tank. Not a good tank at all.

I still think 24 hours with "quite" acceptable water params for balas to die. Another is "bellying-up" now as I write. These balas have lived in worse waters for much much longer with 2 goldfishes, 4 platies, 4 mollies and 1 common pleco (3") are surviving, so far.

Water params in that tanks 3 hours ago:

NH3 1.1
GH 200
KH 100
pH 6.0
NO2 4
NO3 60

These are the better water params I have had. You may be wondering why the fishes surive. I do water changes up to 60% daily, sometimes twice daily in an effort to save our fishes.

I am trying to right a wrong. :sad:


:unsure:
 
What was the ph of the tank they come out of to your tank, and how long did you climatise them for.
 
The reason why i'm asking as if they were in a tank with very high stats then put into another tank with different stats, more than likely its shock.
 
The reason why i'm asking as if they were in a tank with very high stats then put into another tank with different stats, more than likely its shock.

The pH of the tank they came from yesterday was 6.3. (EDITED)

This must have been the shock! Stupid me. I killed my our fishes. :sad: :sad:

I put the balas in a plastic bag (one I saved from previous fish purchases from the LFS) with water from the old tank and floated it in the new tank fro about an hour until temps are similar. Added water from plastic bag also to the new tank.

One just bellied up again. :sad:

We really just love these balas. :wub:
 
That a very big swing fingers crossed it sounds like ph shock.
 
Sorry, with a big swing in ph like that it can take hours to climatise them, to be honest i doubt they will make it, do all the remaining bala's look unwell.
 
Sorry, with a big swing in ph like that it can take hours to climatise them, to be honest i doubt they will make it, do all the remaining bala's look unwell.

Thank you again.

The other 2 are lying on their side, barely breathing. The one remaining looks very unwell, hardly swimming, hovering at a 30-deg angle, just like the other two before they are now. I do not expect it to make it.

This has been a heartbreaking experience for us.

We will just have to start anew with the large tank. I suspected the pinewood hood, the driftwood, defective heatr, etc. etc.

Thanks to this forum, I found my mistake. This forum is priceless. Thank you.
 
Sorry, yes the board will help you set your tank going again, we all make mistakes, not nice watching a fish die, good luck.
 
Sorry, yes the board will help you set your tank going again, we all make mistakes, not nice watching a fish die, good luck.

I think it will be a while before we get any more lives to take charge of. We will have to take the very best care of what we have now. The experience was traumatic. :-(

We get attached to pets. It never fails.
 
How they doing.
 
How they doing.

hey this is my first anything on a forum

i bought a bala shark from my lfs its about an inch long for mu 25L tank , since upgrade to a 60L tank
nobody told me it would grow that big will i still be able to keep it ?

they are wiked fish too comes up nice in the light

Acid-E
 

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