Both those results look fine to me. NitrAtes up to 40ppm is acceptable and will be utilised by any live plants along with some ammonia. Can't recall whether you said you have any live plants but they do help.
1 Fish Dead And I Think Theres Another Just Cant Find It!
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Maybe the initial spike in ammonia made them sick and maybe it's shown up quicker if they weren't tip-top to start with. Difficult to know really. It's nearly always guesswork with sick fish as we aren't vets and have no training whatsoever. So the more detail given, the better tho it's still a guessing game in the end.
It's always good policy to quarantine new fish for a few weeks to make sure they don't pass anything on to existing tank mates. That means having a separate tank not just a divider as that means shared water and could mean shared problems too.
It's always good policy to quarantine new fish for a few weeks to make sure they don't pass anything on to existing tank mates. That means having a separate tank not just a divider as that means shared water and could mean shared problems too.
It's a difficult one, for sure. Your test results are fine, they show a cycled filter. If the fish aren't gasping at the surface then it's unlikely to be lack of oxygen.
My instinct is that it's the stress of living in a small tank with too many tankmates. Think of a tube train during rush hour - whilst you can happily survive it for the duration of your journey, there's no way you'd be happy living in those conditions permanently. Fish feel the same way.
My instinct is that it's the stress of living in a small tank with too many tankmates. Think of a tube train during rush hour - whilst you can happily survive it for the duration of your journey, there's no way you'd be happy living in those conditions permanently. Fish feel the same way.
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the_lock_man said:
Thats the thing though TLM the fish that died had been gasping! i noticed another endler gasping this morning!
None of the other fish are doing this they all look very content, it just seems to be endlers!
how could i improve oxygenation if this is the problem! if it was the problem however surely you would notice it in the other fish. or are these smaller fish more susceptible to the environmental problems?
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Sorry, I didn't pick that up in your original post. Gasping is obviously because they are having difficulty breathing, whether that be from ammonia, nitrite or oxyugen deprivation.
It's an Edge, so it has a limited amount of open surface area, so that might be an issue - hoiw much does the filter outlet cause the surface to ripple.
Endlers aren't particularly susceptible to lack of oxygen, not like, say, hillstream loaches.
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Sorry, I didn't pick that up in your original post. Gasping is obviously because they are having difficulty breathing, whether that be from ammonia, nitrite or oxyugen deprivation.
It's an Edge, so it has a limited amount of open surface area, so that might be an issue - hoiw much does the filter outlet cause the surface to ripple.
Endlers aren't particularly susceptible to lack of oxygen, not like, say, hillstream loaches.
The water does break the surface and generate bubbles (maybe not enough).
Would and air stone work in my favour considering the fluval edges small opening.
Are air stones beneficial or just for decoration? iv read a number of discussions on the pros and cons and the majority tend to swing in the favour of "just for decoration". surely there must be some benefit?
Air stones only work by creating more rippling - the bubbles themselves do very very little in the way of oxygen transfer. The bubbles are so small, and have such little time in contact with the liquid, that there is negligible dissolution of oxygen.
I think the basic problem, still, is overcrowding, coupled with limited surface area for oxygen transfer.
I think the basic problem, still, is overcrowding, coupled with limited surface area for oxygen transfer.
AS TLM stated, the airstones create more rippling, and that's their biggest benefit. They can be used to create a bit more circulation, if used a certain way, but primarily, they are for surface agitation. The smaller the bubbles though, the better the bubbles themselves can transfer oxygen to the water. A large bubble has a very low ratio of surface to volume. A small bubble on the other hand has a very high ratio of surface to volume. The smaller the bubbles, the bigger the benefit, but even then its minimal as its a very short period of time.
Did you find the fish? I've had fish eat smaller fish before and then die after. It might have managed to jump out too, which could be a nasty surprise somewhere down the road. I hope it didn't up dead and was just hiding from you.
You have introduced 17 fish and 2 shrimp into a 46 litre tank that has only been running for 6 weeks.
If you have surface aggitation and the fish were still gasping I would guess you had a Nitrite spike caused by adding a large bioload which the filter/bacteria couldn't cope with.
If you did have a big Nitrite spike then your endlers could be suffering from brown blood disease.
If you have surface aggitation and the fish were still gasping I would guess you had a Nitrite spike caused by adding a large bioload which the filter/bacteria couldn't cope with.
If you did have a big Nitrite spike then your endlers could be suffering from brown blood disease.
Uhm, if you're saying your tank is cycled and you do regular water changes than that sounds fine...sorry if someone pointed, this out, I just skimmed through this, dude, your gh is 0 and your kh is 0-40, closer to 0!?!?! Gigantic ph swings? That just sounds so absurd, 0 kh and 0 gh because my tap is 240 kh and the max gh...
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