Worried!, Getting Water Softner System Installed In House Today&#3

Damon0306

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Hey guys I have always had very hard water here were I live.

This really has never been a problem with the types of fish that I keep.

But parents are tired of replacing the water heater in the basement every year do to extreme mineral deposits in the tank and for a few other reasons that I need not to go into detail about.

I am worried about my Green Terror Cichlid. I have had this guy since a baby in a single 45 gallon aquarium, and I would be sick if I did a water change with the new system installed and killed this fish I have had for a long time.

I keep his water in tip top shape with 50% water changes once every 4-5 days..

Will the new soft water from the water softner system effect him in anyway???

I already made plans for the outdoor hose to be bypassed from the system for my outdoor KOI, there is no way I am risking them with the new water softner.

But inside the house were I do water changes for the Green Terror I have no choice..
 
from everything that i've ever heard, water softening systems can be *very* bad for your fish.

i can't think of a good solution short of filling up the tank with a garden hose, but i'm sure that others on here can help.

is this one of the systems that uses a water softening cake?
 
Would it not be easy to have a tap installed BEFORE the water softening system so you can draw direct from the mains supply. I would have though this was a normal thing to do for gardening/car washing etc. It's pointless paying to soften water then using it to water the garden.

With this you can then get a second tank with fish that require soft water
 
unless its a membrane-type filter, a water softening system doesn't actually remove any of the minerals that make water "hard" but instead just replaces them with different dissolved solids. these new solids are, if i remember correctly, harmful to most fish.
 
i have water softener installed before i started fishkeeping.
still haven't seen any dead fish for almost a year now.
 
You should have a normal tap for drinking water installed in the house, why not use that water?
You shouldnt be drinking water that's been through a water softner, it's bad for you and tastes pretty yuck too !!
 
I did see one on a shopping channel that basically passes an electromagnetic field around the inlet pipe, it does something to the limescale so it doesn't stick to the pipes. It can actually reverse the damage caused by limescale buildup apparently. I don't think this is softening the water though as the limescale is still in the water.
 
I did see one on a shopping channel that basically passes an electromagnetic field around the inlet pipe, it does something to the limescale so it doesn't stick to the pipes. It can actually reverse the damage caused by limescale buildup apparently. I don't think this is softening the water though as the limescale is still in the water.
i can definitely say that the EM thingy does not work. :crazy:
waste of money :S
 
I did see one on a shopping channel that basically passes an electromagnetic field around the inlet pipe, it does something to the limescale so it doesn't stick to the pipes. It can actually reverse the damage caused by limescale buildup apparently. I don't think this is softening the water though as the limescale is still in the water.
i can definitely say that the EM thingy does not work. :crazy:
waste of money :S

Fair enough, didn't buy it, but was quite interested by the concept.
 
It is normal when they install water softeners to leave (usually in the kitchen) a normal mains water tap. In the kitchen I have soft hot water tap and normal cold water. All other taps/loo are softened water. Nowaday they say that it is ok to drink the water from softeners but I'm not too sure about that. Anyhow just fill your tank from a normal mains water tap or if you have an outside tap from there. You should make sure if you have an outside tap that it is not connected to the softener as a lot of plants don't like softened water.
 
It is normal when they install water softeners to leave (usually in the kitchen) a normal mains water tap. In the kitchen I have soft hot water tap and normal cold water. All other taps/loo are softened water. Nowaday they say that it is ok to drink the water from softeners but I'm not too sure about that. Anyhow just fill your tank from a normal mains water tap or if you have an outside tap from there. You should make sure if you have an outside tap that it is not connected to the softener as a lot of plants don't like softened water.

Ditto what Cheffi said. Our softener doesn't soften the outside water, nor our cold water in the kitchen. Everything else is. I use the outside in the summer when I can just fill a huge 16L bucket and carry it in the house and let it sit for a week, and in the winter I use the kitchen tap.

I agree that although they say you can drink it these days, why take the chances? Plus, you do need it for your fish!
 
Whilst they say you can drink softened water, i think they just mean that it's not harmful to you, but normal tap water is better i think. The softened water has had the calcium removed, which is good for us and is needed. Plus softened water doesnt taste good at all. I could always tell if someone made me a drink using the wrong water.
 
My parents have a water softener. It added some sodium to the water therefore the kitchen sink and garden hoses didnt run through the water softener.

But some add potasium not sodium and I wonder if that is ok?....anyone know?

i have water softener installed before i started fishkeeping.
still haven't seen any dead fish for almost a year now.
sodium or potasium pellets?
 
First, if you are not a fish, you are most likely drinking water that is softened, and no...it tastes MUCH better than unsoftened water. The softener usually uses salt pellets to collect as much minerals as it can. This is why if you leave for a week, your water is not rusty or yellowish because of those minerals in the water. This is usually something reserved for people who use a well (well, they benifit the most from it) since city water is highly treated water, mostly to ensure its safe to drink, but also to help soften it out.

As for my fish, I was in a similar situation because I was moving from a house without a water softener into one that used one. I was basically forced to take most of the water from the tank, and the rest from the old house, and transport it to the new place. Here is what I found out....

It is EXPENSIVE and WASTEFUL to soften water that goes to outdoor hoses, toilets, or heating systems that use water (not water heaters, heaters that use water, like in the olden days). So, you can get unsoftened water from your outdoor hose hookups, unless you are completely rich and can afford to buy salt pellets every other day and enjoy the excersize you get from taking them all downstairs. Outdoor plants generally DO NOT thrive in softened water since they need the minerals, so if you are that rich to soften your water that use water the grass with, you most likely have a crappy looking lawn or fertilize every week.

Ok, just wanted to dispell those myths. I want to make a big smart comment about the softened water tastes bad thing, but I wont.

I think you may have a couple of choices with your tank. you can use the softened water and add buffers to get to the right Ph and general hardness your green terror desires, or you can test the water that comes out of your outdoor hose to see if that is the same as your water before the water softener was installed (just to make sure it is not collecting more minerals because they are usually fed with pipes that could be older or made of other metals, which water does pick up over time).

I have also heard of many people keeping cichlids in water that is not buffered nor at the desired Ph or hardness (I do this in one of my tanks with yellow labs, because they are used to that type of water). This is where I would not be the expert, but you may, in small amounts, start aclimating your fish to softened water, very, very, very slowly and it could do fine. For my yellow lab tank, I just use the water out of my sink, that I drink from, and carries city water, and they are thriving because it is the only type of water they ever lived in.

One more thing, in my opinion, I would be leery about doing such big water changes every four to five days in your tank. I am assuming that it is well established and you could be depleating your tank of bacteria that you need to quickly for it to replace itself. If your tank is not well established, which I dont think is the case but just wanted to add it for other's benifits, you could be creating a situation in which you are keeping your tank is a constant, never ending, cycle in which you are only keeping your fish healthy because you are taking enough ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites out every four to five days to keep them at a less than lethal amounts. If it was my tank, I would do about 15 to 25% water changes once a week (7 days) so that the tank invisible ecosystem can survive and thrive. This is an instance of 'too much of a good thing can really be bad", in my opinion.

Lastly, I appologize if I sound judgemental or degrading, but I have done a lot of work on houses, both indoors and outdoors, and know a little bit about water softening. I also know from my experiences in this hobby a thing or two about fish, but not everything and I have never kept a green terror, so I am not the expert on them at all. I just wanted to help you get good information. In the US, where I live, nearly everyone who does not live in the bigger cities, uses well water (straight from out of the ground) that is almost always run through a water softener before they drink, cook, or bathe with it.
 

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