Will These Fish Live Together? Please Help

[joyboy]

I have 2 rainbows and a fancy goldfish in my 4 foot tank. I want to get more fish. Will it be a problem??
If no, i want to get these Elephant 1 Nose Fish, 5 Cardinal Tetra, 3 Clown Loach and 1 Black Ghost Knife Fish. Will these live toether without any problems??
Also is there any frog species (other than African dwarf frogs because i can't find them in Australia)that can kept with fish??
Please reply a.s.a.p

Any other suggestions welcome!!!

 

[Noahs ark6]

No, Goldfish are coldwater fish (cold water) rainbowfish are tropical fish (warm water), they can't be mixed. You really need to either take the goldfish or the rainbows back to the fish shop A.S.A.P. If you keep the goldfish you cant have any tropical fish (like the ones you've mentioned) so idealy you should take the Goldie back to the shop, you may even be given store credit
I adivse that you don't get the elephant nose as they are notoriously hard to feed and i don't belive they should be kept. The most common temperature for a tropical tank is 26 degrees. But the temp varies for each fish so check before you buy.

Have a look at the Beginners Resource Centre for help

 

[fluttermoth]

I'm afraid your tank's not big enough for clown loach or the knife fish, OP.

 

[joyboy]

Ive had the goldfish and rainbows in the same tank for like 3 years and they're doing fine. I saw and read in other places Elephant nose are peaceful and easy to care for and there's videos of people hand feeding them??

I'm afraid your tank's not big enough for clown loach or the knife fish, OP.

I thought so about the Knife fish but are clown loaches that big?? What if i get 2 instead of 3??

 

[Noahs ark6]

Ive had the goldfish and rainbows in the same tank for like 3 years and they're doing fine. I saw and read in other places Elephant nose are peaceful and easy to care for and there's videos of people hand feeding them??

I'm afraid your tank's not big enough for clown loach or the knife fish, OP.

I thought so about the Knife fish but are clown loaches that big?? What if i get 2 instead of 3??

Just because the fish has managed to survive doesn't mean it is in good health. The temprament of the elephant nose will vary but in general they are hard to keep. They are also nocturnal fish, which makes them hard to feed, and theres been many topics in which people have had to take them back to the fish shop because they arent eating.
I've given you advise that is in the best interest of the fish. If you want to ignore my advise you can do that, but you will be harming the fish. What is the temp of the tank? and what is the substrate (sand or gravel) in the tank?
(PS regrading clown loaches, they can grow 20-30cm long if kept in good conditions)

 

[joyboy]

I have gravel in my tank. I keep my tank at 24-26 degrees. You got any better suggestions instead of clown loach and elephant nose which are good to look at and a bit "different"?

 

[LongS]

In my opinion goldfish are ok at low tropical temperatures i have seen it successfully done on many occasions (the most unusual being goldfish and angelfish). Goldfish aren't cold water but temperate believe so if it's working thats up to you. I know if i was certain something was working and wasn't harming the fish i wouldn't take it back to the store.

Clown loaches are pretty massive. You would be better looking for a similar botia species that doesn't get so big and are just as fun to watch.

Try botia striata or almorhae or somthing similar in size. It would suit you so much better and wouldn't lead to a miserable life for a fish as big as a clown loach.

 

[Noahs ark6]

I have gravel in my tank. I keep my tank at 24-26 degrees. You got any better suggestions instead of clown loach and elephant nose which are good to look at and a bit "different"?

Elephant nose also need sand as they like digging in the substrate. You could keep a few bristlenose catfish

In my opinion goldfish are ok at low tropical temperatures i have seen it successfully done on many occasions (the most unusual being goldfish and angelfish). Goldfish aren't cold water but temperate believe so if it's working thats up to you. I know if i was certain something was working and wasn't harming the fish i wouldn't take it back to the store.

Clown loaches are pretty massive. You would be better looking for a similar botia species that doesn't get so big and are just as fun to watch.

Try botia striata or almorhae or somthing similar in size. It would suit you so much better and wouldn't lead to a miserable life for a fish as big as a clown loach.

It's not an opinion but a fact that goldfish need to be kept in cooler water. Like i said, while goldfish can survive in warm temperatures, it does'nt mean they are in good health. You wouldnt put tropical fish in cold water so why put goldfish in warm water? The optimum temperature for goldfish is between 20 °C (68 °F) and 22 °C (72 °F). 24-26 degrees isn't a low tropical temperature.

 

[LongS]

I'm not a goldfish keeper, but know a few and the ones i do know have kept them at about 23-24 degrees with sub tropical species. That's their methods and have worked well for them which is completely their decision. They all told me the same thing though, that a goldfish will grow quicker in warmer waters so if you do go for it, just make sure you have enough room.

I personally, with the advice i have been given from my goldfish keeping friends, would not have a problem mixing goldfish and tropical. Just as long as they have a big enough tank, high filtration (as they are terribly messy) and the water isn't too warm (24 degrees or over) i wouldn't have any problems.

Infact, it would be interesting to find out if the stable temperature of a sub tropical tank would infact be better for a goldfish that a constantly changing unheated aquarium.

 

[Man of fish]

Dwarf cichlids?
Also the clown loaches need to be kept in groups of 6-10+ and in tanks of 6 ft long and 75+ gallons. They'll also get 40 cm max. Not a suitable option IMO.
You could try these similar but smaller loaches though:
Yoyo/Pakistani loach: 6 inches groups of 6+
zebra loach: 4 inches groups of 6+

But to keep any loach species sand is required.

I also agree that goldfish need temperatures of 73 and below which equates to about 22-23* C and below.

 

[Noahs ark6]

I'm not a goldfish keeper, but know a few and the ones i do know have kept them at about 23-24 degrees with sub tropical species. That's their methods and have worked well for them which is completely their decision. They all told me the same thing though, that a goldfish will grow quicker in warmer waters so if you do go for it, just make sure you have enough room.

I personally, with the advice i have been given from my goldfish keeping friends, would not have a problem mixing goldfish and tropical. Just as long as they have a big enough tank, high filtration (as they are terribly messy) and the water isn't too warm (24 degrees or over) i wouldn't have any problems.

Infact, it would be interesting to find out if the stable temperature of a sub tropical tank would infact be better for a goldfish that a constantly changing unheated aquarium.

For the second time, his tank is 24-26 degrees, which is too warm

 

[LongS]

Agreed the tank is slightly too warm. Personally i wouldn't have even bought a goldfish but the original poster has them already and most likely has become attached and has ruled out taking them back, but above you have two different pieces of advice and the choice is with the Original poster to do with the goldfish as he sees fit. Good luck on whatever you do.

About the Loaches, sand would be better, but Loaches can be kept in fine gravel (i keep them in fine gravel with no problems). Large jagged substrate should be avoided really as it can be quite damaging.

 

[Noahs ark6]

Agreed the tank is slightly too warm. Personally i wouldn't have even bought a goldfish but the original poster has them already and most likely has become attached and has ruled out taking them back, but above you have two different pieces of advice and the choice is with the Original poster to do with the goldfish as he sees fit. Good luck on whatever you do.

About the Loaches, sand would be better, but Loaches can be kept in fine gravel (i keep them in fine gravel with no problems). Large jagged substrate should be avoided really as it can be quite damaging.

It doesnt look like hes that attached to them

Here- in this topic he says he probably going to take them back.

 

[joyboy]

Thtas not true, i love my goldfish, i actually love him more than my rainbows but since everyone's saying the same thing. Im having no second option. My tank looks pure boring as the rainbows are colourless. The goldfish is the only thing that gives my tank a bit of life really. Its just i want to make it better.

Agreed the tank is slightly too warm. Personally i wouldn't have even bought a goldfish but the original poster has them already and most likely has become attached and has ruled out taking them back, but above you have two different pieces of advice and the choice is with the Original poster to do with the goldfish as he sees fit. Good luck on whatever you do.

About the Loaches, sand would be better, but Loaches can be kept in fine gravel (i keep them in fine gravel with no problems). Large jagged substrate should be avoided really as it can be quite damaging.

It doesnt look like hes that attached to them

Here- in this topic he says he probably going to take them back.

 

[Noahs ark6]

I gave you a second option in my first post. You could take the rainbows back to the shop and turn your tank into a coldwater tank (good for goldies)