White Spot Help And Suspected Swim Bladder

[Bashyman]

Tank:
RIO 125L
Filters:
2x Eheim 2213 External filters

Fish:
2x Silver sharks
3x Black Ruby Barbs
3x Corydoras
2x Pearl Gouramis
2x Clown Loach
3x Cardinal Tetras
3x Congo Tetras
1x Female Swodtail
1x Rainbow Fish

Treated with Interpet Anti white spot


Hi all,

I purchased a few fish from a local FS last week (2 clown loaches, 3 congo tetras)
Yesterday I noticed the 2 clown loach had what I suspect to be white spot (small white spots on body and fins). They are also laying on the bottom of the tank on their side quite a lot.
Last night when I got home from work, I noticed my 2x silver sharks also had the white spots (although not as many) and were swimming around very erratically.
I panicked and went straight out and purchased a white spot treatment from a pet store.
I read the instructions carefully and nowhere did it mention do a water change first.
I have subsequintially started the treatent last night (first removing the carbon filters obviously).

My question is this, should I now do a water change and gravel vac? Or wait until before the next scheduled does (another 3 days).

On a side note, my black ruby barbs are display what I suspect as swim bladder. They are not spiralling (like I've seen before) and do not actually appear to be poorly, but are doing acrobats (flipping nose down and spinning back around in a circle vertically). This is not how I've witnessed swim bladder before in the past with baloon mollys.
What advice can anyone give about this. The Black ruby barbs are 2 years old.

Any help would be appreciated


Thanks

 

[WILDER]

Your tanks overstocked for a 125L.

Clown loaches, and silver sharks need 100 gallon tanks as they grow bigger.

Can you post your water stats please in the following.
Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.?
What do you feed your fish?

Immediate water change. Than add the correct amount of med back to water removed.

Have you increased aeration with the med?
Did you raise the temp to 30?
Did you remove black carbon from filter. That's if you use it?

 

[Bashyman]

Your tanks overstocked for a 125L.

Clown loaches, and silver sharks need 100 gallon tanks as they grow bigger.

Can you post your water stats please in the following.
Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.?
What do you feed your fish?

Immediate water change. Than add the correct amount of med back to water removed.

Have you increased aeration with the med?
Did you raise the temp to 30?
Did you remove black carbon from filter. That's if you use it?

Hi,

Thanks for reply.
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Run out of Nitrate test and don't have PH test
I feed the fish flake food and sometimes bloodworm (defrosted from the freezer in some tank water for about 30 mins)
and yes, carbon filter removed from both filters

As for the size of the fish, the sharks are about a year old now and about 3 inches long
The clown loaches are small
Bought both from the same fish shop and told the fish shop guy what tank I had and fish stock.
Have now read into it and realised they both grow large...I'm afraid I will have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
You can rest assured that I will never buy anything else from that shop (The Trop Shop in Grays, Essex)
I've always had this amount of fish in my tank. I do bi weekly water changes and the fish always seem happy and my stats are always low.
My two external filters are well more than adequate for the size tank.

Will do a water change now and replace meds for whatever I remove.
Thanks for your advice

 

[WILDER]

I don't like the sound of the spinning.
Can be due to brain damage, swin bladder, bad water quality, toxins, the fish is dying, parasites, bacterial, ph shock.

Don't over feed the bloodworms as they can cause bloating.
Introduce some green veg into there diet.
Also feed frozen foods like brine shrimp, daphnia.

Do any fish look bloated?
Are any fish gasping, or laboured breathing?
Do any fish swim on there sides?
Have you added the correct amount of med, not overdosed?
Do any fish look thin?
Do any fish have sunken in bellies?
Have you increased aeration?

 

[Bashyman]

I don't like the sound of the spinning.
Can be due to brain damage, swin bladder, bad water quality, toxins, the fish is dying, parasites, bacterial, ph shock.

Don't over feed the bloodworms as they can cause bloating.
Introduce some green veg into there diet.
Also feed frozen foods like brine shrimp, daphnia.

Do any fish look bloated?
Are any fish gasping, or laboured breathing?
Do any fish swim on there sides?
Have you added the correct amount of med, not overdosed?
Do any fish look thin?
Do any fish have sunken in bellies?
Have you increased aeration?

Yeah, it's strange about the spinning, they don't do it often and I've been watching them for the last 30 mins and have not seen them do it.
What they do/did was kinda stop swimming, start going into a nose dive where their mouth end goes down and the tail up, sometimes they would get to vertical, right themselves and swim away fine, then sometimes go all the way around. It seems like they are mimicking each other. The 2 females (I think theyre female) are doing it more, where the larger redder male is hardly doing it at all. I thought first that they might be breeding.
All the fish in the tank seem healthy except the 2 clown loach and the 2 sharks. Both the loaches are rubbing on surfaces and the sharks are very aggitated. None of the fish give any symtoms of what you've listed above, thank god.
I have increaed the temperature and have directed my water out jets more towards the surface to increase the bubbles. Don't know how I would increase it any more than that.

Should I still do a water change?
Just gonna get kids asleep now and will do one after if needed, or should I wait till the 4 days is up when I have to medicate again (Thursday).
Definitley not overdosed...was VERY Careful about that.
Cheers

 

[WILDER]

Do a water change and add the correct amount of med back to water removed.
Than just keep a close eye on the fish to see if it has helped.
Feed some shelled peas.

 

[SandraNewbie]

I hate to butt in on a fish emergency thread, but... This set up is not great for any of the fish involved.

Even if your balas and clowns are only 3" now, your tanks is still overstocked and will get to about twice as much fish as that tan can handle over their life times.

All your fish except the swordtail should be kept in groups of at least 5 to a species. The balas will grow to consider half of this tank food and their aggression can be a problem for some tetras, like the cardinal.

 

[Bashyman]

All done. Also soaked rocks and ornaments in boiling water and removed silk plants.
Obviously I can't soak the silk plants in boiling water, how can I ensure they are clean and free of parasites?

Should I do another water change before the next dose of treatment on Thursday?

Cheers for all your help

 

[Bashyman]

I hate to butt in on a fish emergency thread, but... This set up is not great for any of the fish involved.

Even if your balas and clowns are only 3" now, your tanks is still overstocked and will get to about twice as much fish as that tan can handle over their life times.

All your fish except the swordtail should be kept in groups of at least 5 to a species. The balas will grow to consider half of this tank food and their aggression can be a problem for some tetras, like the cardinal.

Yes...I have been extremely ill advised from the shop I purshaed these fish from.
I originally bought the tank 2 years ago and purchased the tank and original fish from a different shop (Which has now shut down).
The cardinals & barbs were in groups of 5, but have lost two of each over the 2 years.
The swordtail is also an original and had 2 male companions, but lost those along the way too.
All the other fish are from the trop shop in grays and by the sound of it were mis sold to me.
I have always gone into a shop with a list of the fish and the tank details on, and the purchased the remaining fish on the list over 3 periods.

As stated, I obviously won't shop there again, not even for food, but what can I do.
I cannot afford to buy another tank (and the wife wouldn't let me), and do not want to give away any of my fish, and who would take them.

I will obviously have to give rehome the sharks and loaches at some point (or talk the wife into a bigger tank), but can't bring myself to do it yet.

Thanks for your comment, but believe there is nothing I can do about the situation now.

 

[WILDER]

Keep doing daily water change until you know your water stats.
Take a sample of your tank water to the LFS, and ask them to write the readings down for you.

Ask in the plant section of the forum about sterilizing silk plants.
You can't use bleach as it will ruin them. There also myxazin by waterlife you could sterilize them with. But the med green and it might stain.

 

[Bashyman]

Come home from work today and the clown loaches appear to have a lot more white spots.
Is this normal when 2 days into treatment?

They're also laying around right next to the heating fillament too.

 

[WILDER]

Things can get worse before better.
Are you using the full dose of the medication, or half dose.

Are the fish still spinning?

 

[Bashyman]

Things can get worse before better.
Are you using the full dose of the medication, or half dose.

Are the fish still spinning?

Half dose I think.
I'm just following the instructions.
4 Days after first dose, I have to do it all again (Which is Friday evening)
It's only the clown loaches that look quite bad. All the other fish are fine. The sharks do have some white spots but not many and it appears as they haven't got any worse.
As for the barbs, they haven't been 'spinning', but still seem a bit 'front heavy', but not all the time. They swim, stop, start dipping down, get to nose down vertical, then right themselves and swim away. VERY strange

 

[WILDER]

it takes longer at half dose. Also it can take 2 rounds of treatment with a severe case of whitespot.

Feed some shelled peas to your fish to see if that helps with the dipping.
Do the fish look bloated also?

 

[Bashyman]

OK.
Will feed them some peas this morning.

It's obviously been brought in by the Loaches, so how long do I leave it before it will better for the other fish to put the loaches to sleep (clove oil). Have never had to do it before, but am worried about the infection spreading.

Cheers