Where Do I Start With Hair Algae

Melly

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Hi,

I have a Rio180 tank that has been established for approx. 8 months now. Everything was going along "swimmingly" (excuse the pun!!) until a couple of months ago.

Black hair like growth appeared on the rocks and has since taken over everything in the tank except the fish :sad:

I have rocks, wood, and one large ornament in the tank (favourite hideout for Mr Plec!) . I also have three silk plants and some live plants.

Fish :

2 x Plecs (one small one just settling in)
2 x Angel Rish
1 x Sucking Loach
1 x Swordtail
2 x Mollies
2 x Corydoras
3 x Silver Sharks
3 x Very small fish but not tetras that I do not know the name of :blush:

I have been to my local acquatic shop and they have given me Intrepet Hair Algae treatment. It says in the instructions that I am to remove the Carbon and zeolite media prior to treatment. I am not really sure what this means. Also it doesn't say anything about returning it and when? The treatment is one dose every 7 days for four weeks.

Any help would be very much appreciated as my tank looks awful now :(
 
Hello Melly,

Please provide details on your tank.
Filter? Activated Carbon? HOB or canister?
Gravel..what type? Depth?
Lights?
CO2?
Maintenance schedule?
Tank size?
Plants..type?

You stated three silk plants and a some live plants. Are you planning to go pure live plants?
Also, try reading the pinned articles on algae. This will help you alot.
 
Hello Melly,

Please provide details on your tank.
Filter? Activated Carbon? HOB or canister?
Gravel..what type? Depth?
Lights?
CO2?
Maintenance schedule?
Tank size?
Plants..type?

You stated three silk plants and a some live plants. Are you planning to go pure live plants?
Also, try reading the pinned articles on algae. This will help you alot.

This is where it gets difficult as I am certainly not very knowledgable about keeping tropical fish. I got some of the fish originally from my mother as they were left in her house by the old owners when she moved in. They were in a tiny aquarium on the wall that was made to look like a picture frame.

When I purchased a new tank, I was told that everything that I would need was in the tank. Tank is a Juwel Rio 180 - 180 litres. I did explain to them that I was completely new to all of this and I purchased everything at the same time - plants/gravel/ornaments/rocks and wood. I also purchased a water testing kit.

Included in the Tank were:

Compact H Filter
Heater
2 X 30w Tubes

The gravel is Dorset Pea Gravel and is at a depth of about 1 inch.

I have no knowledge of CO2 and am now a bit worried about that. I have no idea what I should purchase to remedy this.

I do a 25% water change every other week and clean the whole of the filter on the every other week inbetween (if that makes any sense). I replace plants when those in situ are not looking very good. I have no idea what the plants are either :sad:

Sorry if I am not being particularly helpful.

I did have a dwarf Gourami at one point (before the algae problem) and it constantly chased and nipped all the other fish and a couple of the smaller ones died. I ended up donating it to a friend so that peace was restored :blush:

I have disposed of the silk plants today and I am hoping to go to full live planting. For this purpose it looks like I really need to sort out the CO2 for the plants to flourish. I really am not sure where to start :(

I am working my way through the helpful articles as well :good:
 
Melly,

1. First, your algae issue is to do with the fact that you don't have enough plants.
  You should start with fast growing plants (ie: Ludwigia Repens, Corckscrew<Vals>).
Get lots. Fill half of the tank with plants to avoid any more algae and to get the
water stabalized. Go to the library and borrow a book on Freshwater Aquarium Plants that have pictures.
Read it and take it with you to your LFS so you can see what plant is what before purchasing.

2. Water change (25%) , you need to do more. A weekly water change is best. If you can do it twice a week, even better.

3. Lights - your lights are fine for low light plants like Anubias. If you decide to go with other plants that require high lights,
your going to have to upgrade them. Less than 2 WPG is low.

4. Substrate - your substrate depth may not be enough. Depending on the plants you choose, you may have to add.
A 2 inch substrate is the norm. When cleaning your substrate, just clean the surface.
Don't disturb the bottom layers. Your bacteria colony are there and you need them.

5. Filter - activated carbon removes everything from the water including the nutrients that the plants need.
You should remove the activated carbon for this reason. Use sponge or floss pads only.

6. CO2 - for your tank size I would go pressurized. A DIY system in my opinion just can't do it.
You can however buy or make a CO2 reactor that can efficiently diffuse DIY CO2 into the water.
CO2 is good to have but not necessary unless you have demanding plants like Riccia, Glosso, and Red plants.
They say that you need medium to high lights for CO2 to be of benefit to plants.

7. Ferts - you will need ferts for the plants as fish waste and left over decomposing food dosen't provide enough nutrients.
Your plants need proper nutrients to fight algae too.

8. Remove any algae that you see by hand. Plant leaves that are infected should be trimmed. Plants that are covered should be removed. Remove the top substrate that the algae are attached to. Scrubb the algae off the bog wood and the glass.
Do a bleach treatment on your heater if there are any signs of infection on it too.

10. Do a 3 day black out and feed only once a day. The fish will be fine.

11. Get a cleaning crew in. Get Amano shrimp, Otocinclus affinis (dwarf cat fish ), snails.


You must be diligent with the maintenance schedule and be patient. You will get results. I hope this helps.
Removing the silk plants was one of the best things you did. It’s a magnet for algae.
 
Hi Snail,

Thank you so much for all of your help :good:

Update !!!!!!

I took out all of the rocks yesterday and but them in a bucket of very weak bleach solution for a few hours. I then rinsed them and scrubbed them again and again and then soaked them in de-chlorinated water for another hour before leaving them overnight to air dry. I disposed of all of the plants today as they were all badly infected.

This afternoon I cleaned the filter/pump and heater in very mild bleach solution and have cleaned the glass and taken off the top layer of substrate. Upon re-measuring the depth, it is nearly 2". I also threw away the bog wood as that was covered badly.

I did a small water change. I didn't want to do too much as I had been meddling rather with everything and I didn't want to shock the fish too much. I will need to get a lot more plants so I am going to check out Amazon for a good book (any recommendations would be great !!!).

I have also ordered some Nerite Snails online so I am just waiting for them to arrive. I did this before I noticed your message, so I will also check out the shrimp as well :good:

Regarding the carbon filter - do you mean I should remove it altogether and put sponges it its place or will the sponges already in there be sufficient? (there is one floss pad as well that sits on the top of the system that I change weekly).

Regarding the CO2 - is this absolutely necessary? If so, I will check that out as well. I will also need to sort out the lighting.

The Sucking Loach was one of the fish that I rescued from my Mother's new house. Is it the compatibility with other fish that I need to check ?

Sorry if I have left anything out or I have not taken in something enough, but I am rushing around now the children are home. Peace will be restored later and I can then check out the things outstanding properly.

I have taken some pictures and you will see that it is looking incredibly bare at the moment. I have now turned off the lights and will leave them off for 3 days.

All I have to do now is work out how to post the pictures - :lol:

Thanks again.
 
First picture....
(am trying to read up on how to post more than one per reply!!)
 

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Hello Melly,

Looks like you are starting from scratch, almost.

Let me start by answering your questions.

Sucking Loach. This fish grows to about 10 inches (25cm). It gets aggressive as it gets older.
It also gets less inclined to eat algae as it grows.

CO2 is not necessary. You don't need it. >>>the plants will grow faster and healthier if you have CO2.<<<

Filter....as you have been doing the bleach treatment, I would leave the carbon in for now (about 1 week).
After a week, remove the carbon only from the filter. Leave the sponges that are in there. Fill in the open space with the floss pads or add more of the same sponge. The floss pad and sponge is another place for the bacteria to colonize. This will also save you money as you won't need activated carbon (expensive), just the floss pads.
I usually replace my floss pads every two weeks. You may have to do the same. It all depends on how much waste your fish makes. You'll have to monitor your filter for a while so you'll know how long it takes.

Nerite snails...forgot to mention. They reproduce like rabbits. I only have one for my tank because of this reason. I'd go with the Otocinclus affinis (dwarf cat fish) and the Amanos. The cleaning crew usually eat algae in their early stage of development. That is how it is kept in check. If you notice any large algae, remove it immediately (trim it off or scrape it off or remove the infected item completely).

Book....I can't really suggest a good one right now. Unfortunately I am in Japan. I am sure there is someone here in the forum that could suggest a good book.

There is something I missed on my last post.
Lighting...8 hours to 10 hours is sufficient for the plants. 12 hours can sometimes bee too much. This you have to decide based on observation.
If you notice algae, reducing light time always helps.
Please read this. This will help. You may have read this already so please ignore if you have.

http://www.fishforums.net/lofiversion/index.php/t96754.html


After viewing your photo, I noticed a plant that may not be a true aquatic plant.
You do need to do some research. I'm sure someone in this forum is bound to say something about it.

Your tank is bare and because of that, your tank will go through another round of cycling. It should be quick this time though.
Once you get the plants in, you must follow a strict schedule. You need to focus on water change, cleaning the filter, controlled feeding, vacuuming the gravel and ferts. Depending on your plant load, maitenance will be reduced.
Once your tank is settled, do not remove plants and do not disturb the lower layers of your substrate. The trick here is to allow it to balance itself. Once balanced, you cannot simply remove a plant as it is part of the equilibrium already. You can add but you cannot remove. If you do remove a plant, make sure you have a replacement for it. When the plants do mulitply, that will be considered as an addition so removing a plant will be possible then. Disturbing the balance can be as simple as removing a plant, wood or rock (bacteria do grow on these). Remember that an aquarium is mimicking mother natures natural eco system.
With that said, we need to recreate the food chain in an eclosed environment.
I have experienced problems when I remove plants without adding or replacing the ones removed. If you can get 90% of the tank covered with plants like I do, maintenance becomes very easy.
Your fish have gone through a lot already so at this point, it would be wise to get things done in one shot if possible.

Water....I was once using tap water and with tap water, I always had issues with algae. Not bad but had some problems with it.
I now use filtered water (RO water). RO is reversed osmosis. If you can get one, that will do you a lot of good. It's expensive but a worthy investment. UV sterilizers are good also but again they are expensive. If you have the money, then go for it. If not, you'll still be fine without them so it's not necessary.


Hope it all works out. I don't know all the answers but these are all based on my own experiences and research. I hope others in the forum here will throw in their ideas, advice, and opinions too. Am waiting to see from them as well.
Melly, do read the other threads as there are some great answers and ideas there.

To reddeerhobbiest,

I'd have to agree with you on dwarf gourami. They are beatiful looking fish too and great in a community tank.
If you have other ideas, advice, opinions to add, that would be great.
 
Hi again and thanks for the advice. I am taking it all on board and working my way through it.

I would certainly appreciate guidance from anyone on here as it is all so helpful as is the whole forum :good:

I now have a rather urgent dilemma....

I entrusted the ordering of the Nerite Snails to my husband. He read that you need one snail per 2.5 gallons (or something silmilar) and so I have ended up with 15 !!!!!!!!!!! 10 Ruby and 5 Tiger ones.

They arrived this morning. How many should I put in my 180 Litre tank and if anyone on here wishes to have the remaining ones I am happy to forward them on today. I am not sure how long they can be left in the packaging :unsure:

Other than that, I am really not sure what to do with them :blush:
 
Melly,

Put them all in the tank for now and keep the packaging just incase. Do acclimate them before releasing them.
The snails will need food as your algae population is down. You can get snail food at your LFS.
15 snails is a good amount for your tank size. You have room to add more but leave it as is for now.
Hope you got some new plants. If not, you will need them soon.
You should be fine from here on. All the best and good luck.
 
Seachem Flourish Excel will also help this. Double the recommended dosage on the daily dose (not the initial dose)
 
:good: Thanks so much ... just given my credit card a jolt on AquaEssentials :D Also got some Flourish Tabs as well.

Soooooooooo much to read and learn, but worth it :rolleyes:
 
i once had a hair algae problem, but since have kept it controlled with a dwarf gourami....he just nibbles on it all day...

On further reading I am wondering if the Gourami I had was actually a dwarf one. I only had the one and it was all golden in colour. It was sold as a dwarf gourami and I was told it would be fine to purchase only one. I don't know why it was so aggressive towards the other fish. I really wish I had found this Forum before taking on my Mother's unwanted fish and adding to them, but we all live and learn I suppose.

The dwarf Gourami look beautiful and I may consider adding them (one male and one female?) once I have my tank all sorted.

Snails are now all in the tank and are moving slowly around under the curious gaze of the present inhabitants :)

Sorry, I am getting a bit sidetracked from the thread topic. I need to mingle :D
 

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