When to add the discus?

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:) HI,

I have lost my male krib today and my female may die soon two. So I wondered how long it would be before I could add the discus? the tank has a Co2 system and plants galore and has a substrate of sand with a couple of pieces of bogwood. When I have removed the fish that are a bit to aggressive etc for the fish then I can add the discus. So how long if the water is fine before I add them?

Should I add all of my other stock of fish before the discus?
 
Which tank are you adding discus to and what tankmates do you plan to leave with/add to them?
 
Ok,

The kissing gourami is diffently going.

So the plan will include-

2 cory's
1 leopard plec
4 ottos
6 golden barbs
2 neons

NEW FISH
Discus
a pair of dwarf cichlids
more cory's and ottos

the water is at 26 degress celsius which I may have to raise to 27 for the discus.

Thanks :)
 
Hi Ryan,
Im afraid that Discus will not live in the same tank as barbs, especially hyperactive and nippy tigers. Neons will not last long in the high temps of a Discus tank either ( you would need at least six to keep them happy). You will notice after a week or so they will become listless and swim heads down, probably not moving from the one spot. Cardinal tetras are not as hardy as Neons but are a much better choice with Discus.

Discus become uncomfortable when the temp is below 28C and are most ay home around 30C. To treat diseases you may need to raise the temp to 32C.

The Discus are expensive and should be the priority in the tank, you can of course keep Discus in your tank, but I would think they would not do very well and would hide most of the time, Discus have a habit of worrying themselves to death which first shows up as a 'hunger strike' and maybe a darkening of the skin.

Think carefully before spending the money on them! :)

Ken
 
HI

some people are really encouraging me to get them and some people aren't. I understand both pionts of the argument, but because I have seen so many discus thriving in a community tank I am persuaded to get them, I know someone who has had discus with angels, neons, plecs, cardinals, cory's, guppies, pictus cats and bgk, all though I think this is a bit over the top.

My barbs are very peaceful and I know you may not believe me but they are not at all hyperactive they tend to just drift around the substrate and in and out of plants. The neons I thourght may be a problem so I may move them. but would that be ok, I have also heard of domestic discus being fine in 26 and 27 degress temperatures. Only the specailists using the hish temperatures? :unsure:
 
Hi Ryan,

The only places I have seen Discus kept at temps lower than 28C was at a LFS. The Discus there are kept in these tanks for relitavely short periods of time.
Discus wont die immediately from being kept lower than 28, they will be more susceptible to disease and will not show their beautiful colours.
The fact is that where Discus are caught, the temperature almost never strays far from 30-32C and Discus have evolved to deal with the lower oxygen in such water.

There is nothing to say that you cant keep Discus with the fish you mention, IF you are very careful about what fish you buy and how they have been kept beforehand.
You should however accept the fact that you will lose some Discus. Only keep Discus with other fish if they have been kept like this in the shop.
A good LFS will keep the Discus alone or with tetras, at the front of the shop where people will pass by regularly. Be cautious if the Discus are kept at the back or are hidden away in darkend tanks or conversely are crammed in with a wide variety of species in a busy community tank.

If Discus are kept like this, the person selling them probably has little understanding of Discus and how they should be kept. Their fish and advice should be taken with a 'pinch of salt'.

Buy a group of Discus no smaller than 4", they should have a forehead as wide as the mouth region, any pinched look could mean parasites and disease.
They should look almost perfectly round, if they look slightly longer than tall, they may have had stunted growth, an indicator of disease.
They eye should be in good proportions to the body, if it looks slighlty bigger than it should, this is also an indicator of poor health and stunted growth.
Check they are breathing from both gills and at regular intervals. If they are not, it is an indicator of gill worms or other parasites.
Never buy a Discus that does not use all of its fins all of the time, check them all.

The disadvantages of keeping Discus with other fish are:

They are generally timid and wont compete for food. This may lead to starvation and death due to disease.

They are difficult to medicate. When kept at the correct temperature, they are fairly resistant to disease when settled in. Fish kept with Discus should not be treated in the Discus tank as Discus dislike any excess or foreign dissolved chemicals.

Diseases which other fish are immune to may attack Discus and you may never know the source. Because of the nature of their habitat, Discus may never have been exposed to some parasites and diseases that other fish have evolved defences against. Your Discus could keep dying in an otherwise healthy appearing tank.

Discus have a water preference that some effort should be made to duplicate.
You can keep Discus in most types of water after a long acclimatization, but they will never 'fit in' to a general community tank. Making an effort to give them the water they need has many many benifits for the fish and you that you lose when you try to get the fish to adapt to your water.

There are as many opinions on how to keep Discus as there are varities. I believe in giving the fish what they need. Discus have been kept in a wide range of circumstances but the only group of people who can consistently keep Discus healthy and colourful are those who know and can duplicate their natural habitat.
I think this is a very wise principle.
For every person who says their Discus do fine in pH 8 and live happily with barbs, angels and gouramis, there are dozens more who failed miserably and who contribute to the myth that Discus are delicate. They are not, they just have their own requirements.

I think of Discus like I do marine fish, when going for marine fish, you are careful to give them the water similar to that which they come from, the same should be true for Discus and it will go a long way to keeping them healthy.

Ken
 
thanks for the info, my other fish wouldn't with stand those high temps would they? :(

apart from the temp. the tank would be fine I think. there is very little movement except in the bushy plants were the fish spend most of their time foraging for left overs etc. the water is soft and slightly acidic which I understand is good for discus.

UMM. I suppose I will have to give it alot of thourght -_- :unsure: .


Any views or ideas of what I should do will be willingly recieved.

THANKS :)
 

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